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    Default Do you need to detune a new board?

    When I purchased the new K2 Slayblade last week, I asked whether there was need to detune the board before first ride - (Auski) said that it shouldn't be necessary but that he personally always detuned a new board. Thoughts people?? If I do detune, what's the best method?
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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    They are supposed to come ready to ride straight from the factory, but I would do it any way, (plus another waxin), just to make sure. just hit Youtube and watch a few videos. get yaself some some new tools and take it easy!
    The first time I took a file to a new board, my hands were shakin, but if ya go easy there is nothin to it!

    If you are a complete "klutz" at any handy man activity, I would suggest taking it back to the store and let the experts do it.

    Remember that if ya take too much of the edge off, ya can't put it back, and that would be enough to make a grown man cry!

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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    just take it to a shop
    Decent set of tools will set you back $200 or more
    I'd wait and see what rider26 has to say on the issue
    With a traditional board shape (ie camber/reverse camber etc) it's my understanding that you'd detune from 2.5-10cm of edge depending what you were planning on doing with it.
    With the new board shapes (eg flatline, banana etc), I have no idea
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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    K2 boards come ready to ride, but I would wax it again before using it.
    Some of the new shapes are designed to be sharper than before, playing around with detuning takes away the advantage of the new shape, factories know what is best for the boards they design so why alter it.
    If you must detune, do it with fine wet and dry sandpaper or steel wool, a file will destroy the edge forever and you can't undo the damage done.

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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    I agree with that Paul!
    I bought my first board knowing nothing about tuning, and someone detuned the tip and tail 15cm!
    I use it as an excuse for why I have trouble carving on firm stuff, but I'm sure it's more to do with technique

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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    I de-tune tip and tail on all my boards . If you don't know how get a shop to do it .
    I just want to snowboard.

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    Question for you guys?

    Why do we detune nose and tail of a board. I understand from the perspective of doing tricks/jumps you would not want to catch the edge at these points of the board. However with someone like definition56 who from what he's said loves to charge the mountain at a million miles an hour would you still need to detune or is it best to keep the edges sharp near nose/tail for better edge control. I ask this because I like to cruise the mountain and am not one for tricks thus I've never bothered detuning. However I've just purchased a new board so I'm wondering to detune or not detune... :-)

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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coopski View Post
    Question for you guys?

    Why do we detune nose and tail of a board. I understand from the perspective of doing tricks/jumps you would not want to catch the edge at these points of the board. However with someone like definition56 who from what he's said loves to charge the mountain at a million miles an hour would you still need to detune or is it best to keep the edges sharp near nose/tail for better edge control. I ask this because I like to cruise the mountain and am not one for tricks thus I've never bothered detuning. However I've just purchased a new board so I'm wondering to detune or not detune... :-)
    That's just it; it comes down to personal preference and riding style.

    Some people won't detune their edges because edge hold is a priority. There are others who will file down the whole length of their board. Snowboarding has so many difference styles and disciplines, there is no right or wrong.

    Personally I only very slightly detune the contact points with a gummy stone, just to take the hard bite off.

    FYI there's no need to detune a board with rocker / reverse camber, as the contact points are elevated off the snow anyway during turn initiation.
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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    Also in regards to not detuning at all. Well that's an option, but really, when you are carving properly, the full length of the edge is locked into the snow, not just part of the edge. That few cm of slightly detuned edge will not make a noticeable difference. The reason you detune is for turn initiation. i.e. the very start of the turn. After that the rest of the edge should be engaged and doing all the work.
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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    Coops,
    Nose and tail incorporates the whole edge around the nose/tail till it gets to the widest points of the board, and then, being the most common, another 2-3cm of that edge toward the middle of the board. You still have to keep a sharp edge running along the rest of the sides of the board (this is where the turning/control of the board comes from) You are spot on in assuming that it has to be done so as not to catch an edge.
    I use a gummy stone which also comes in handy for tidying up minor nicks without hacking into the edge with a file.
    For $200 bucks ya can get a whole wax/tune kit inc PTex candles and scrapers as well Butters, 15 cm is way to much in my opinion, so I reckon ya can hold whoever responsible for that loss of control on the firm stuff.
    Some of the park/street kids dull the entire edge for rails and boxes etc, so as to avoid catching an edge, but the board loses all control when coming in to hit the feature.

    This is also my perception of how best to look at it but Paul and Rider might tell you something different as I am in now way a trained professional, and having said that would highly recomend taking it to a professional if you are in any doubt about having a go yourself!

    *hadn't seen Riders posts at time of submission*
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    Ta rider.

    Me thinks I will let my new beasty hit the hill first and see how she rides. Certainly if a little 'catchy' I will detune as I know I had my Palmer done a tinee tiny bit many moons ago (gosh to think ive been riding for 15 years...hmmm makes me think I should be better than I am ;-) so I'll see how she rides. Mind you from what they say about the Rome blue it seems like a fairly fast board so I might want to keep dem edges just as they are ;-)

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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    Honestly, just by riding you are going to detune your edges. They will lose their bite just by sliding some fast/hard turns on hard-packed snow. That's why we sharpen our edges. What's more important is just maintaining your edges with a diamond stone or similar. Keep them smooth and sharp.
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    Thanks guys. It's great to have a wealth of knowledge.

    I guess a follow on to your last statement rider. What do people in the know feel is the best approach to edges. Something like your diamond file to take small amounts off often and keep edges sharp and deburr or less filing and service edges when needed as you don't want to take too much edge off the board. I ask this as I've seen a jolly good debate between two mates before.

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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    I run a diamond file (mine has a built in angle guide) very lightly (minimal pressure, just enough as to make contact with the edge) whenever I wax, and apply a little more pressure if the edge has been burred. Other than that, a flat face of a gummy stone to take small nicks out seems to work ok for me! I think if ya shavin off wads of metal, ya edges will be non existent, so I reckon tryin not to get carried away is the key!

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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    Detuning boards came about when boards were not finished properly at the factory, a board with a sharp edge at the contact points would be fairly unforgiving if the rider was not a very skilled, and spent a lot of time in the transition of a turn, better riders could ride a board without the need to detune as they spend almost no time at all in transition, some liked to very slightly detune especially if instructing as it made it easier to demonstrate lower levels of riding.
    Those days are pretty well gone now, like I said earlier boards leave most factories well prepared certainly in the case of brand name boards detuning is not needed, we used to detune all skis once back in the old days, of course people will still buy boards that are beyond their ability and they will be better if detuned until the rider reaches the level of the boards edge hold.
    The contact points at either end give you the strongest edge hold, detuning them takes away a lot from edge hold on icy snow, riders that are capable of carving clean lines don't need to detune, riders that have to pivot a board to make a turn will see a real need to take away some of that edge hold.
    If you think you have bought a board that is close to your ability, give it a try before you detune it, you have little to lose and maybe a lot to gain.

    I also use a diamond file after each days riding, keeps the board sharp all the time and takes next to no edge material away.

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    Thanks Paul.

    I'm looking forward to my new beasty. I've often found a lot of female boards have been that touch too forgiving so and have thus had non female specific boards (Palmer and way back in the early days an oxygen). I then gave up boarding for a few years and just skiied. I came to a point that I missed my boarding so I got a mid range 'girly' board for those days I felt like boarding. I really found the it just didn't cut it in all conditions. Thus why I've bitten the bullet done some looking round and gone the Rome. I look forward to hitting the mountain.

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    ^^^ dont do it Coopski stay true to your name and ski

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    Detuned promotes skidded turns with both skis and boards. If you want to move snow from the top of the hill to the bottom of the hill, detuning will help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight_Line
    ^^^ dont do it Coopski stay true to your name and ski
    He he he. Fear not straight line. I will be down for 7 days in august and will only take my skis. I will pop down alone sans family for a day perhaps in July so that kinda gives you the ratio of my skiing to boarding these days. And before the chorus of don't drive alone starts I actually catch the bus down. It does a pick up at pennant hills (not far from me) travels over night so I zzzzz the whole way there. Nice big breaky at ski rider then up we go for a day on the slopes. I then kick back on the coach on the way home, listen to some tunes and chillax.

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    Default Re: Do you need to detune a new board?

    God, ya just have to love the technical knowledge/feedback loop in this Forum.

    I'll not detune the Slayblade, just point it and see how that first turn initiates. Intended to get it waxed before-hand though.

    Thx again guys.
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