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    Originally posted by AndDee:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Polaris:
    It is concerning that a drunk anybody has done this if it is true.

    Fact was it was a drunk snowboarder

    End of story
    </font>[/QUOTE]Really? You know this for a fact? Were you there? Did you know the people involved or are you just going by what you've read or heard?
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    Hangover make brain work slowly..

    I don't know anything else except the first post in this thread, but that did say a snowboarder & drunk.

    At this stage it's all hearsay I guess [img]graemlins/snow_cool.gif[/img]

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    No need for my crap in here [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/snowman.gif[/img]

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    No matter what the situation which has occurred to end with someone in hospital with spinal injuries is horrible, no matter who they are.

    Making comments on the situation without actually knowing the facts and talking about things that may or may not be true however does not help the situation.

    To whoever was injured (still there is no confirmation of who in this thread) I wish you a speedy recovery. [img]smile.gif[/img]
    Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable.

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    If you have an issue with what has been posted perhaps look at the first post in this thread

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    Mr legs and I had lunch at kareela yesterday and couldn't get over how much booze was going down.

    One couple with two kids: dad had a steady flow of those massive glasses of beer (about as tall as a wine bottle!) and mum had the whole bottle of wine. How they could get themselves and little kids safely down the icy slope from there is any mans guess!!

    I think the impact and weight of a board with a body on sliding sideways at speed will possibly do a bit more damage than flailing Arms legs and planks which is why the boarders seem to appear the bigger villians for wipeouts. This doesn't mean skiers are any more responsible, it's just their accidents aren't as guaranteed to cause such an impact.

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    There is confirmation, a top job man at Falls WAS injured. The only thing we are not confirming is the name, and out of respect to the family I think that is a reasonable thing?
    Everyday people are injured on our snowfields, be it their own fault or someone else's fault. We just do our best to ensure that those we care for and we ourselves do not cause or contribute to an accident. However, sometimes no matter what we do, as humans we cannot predict the behaviour of those around us, and sometimes, gear fails. None of us want to be in an accident nor even witness one. Many people do not take "a snow holiday" seriously, and expect free run anywhere they chose.
    No-one really "likes" ski-patrol, but they have a difficult and demanding job trying to keep a lot of people safe from themselves!

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    I hope that he is ok... I think it was last year.. maybe the year before.. but we lost 3 lives on the mountain in one day!.. I'm sure most could recall these deaths.. it is a scarey fact that we are all vunerable when enjoying our favourite sport. I hope he makes a full recovery. I personally feel that no-one should be allowed to drink alcohol and then hit the slopes.. maybe ski patrol could introduce random breath tests on the mountain.. that would be very interesting! Perisher randomly breath tests their staff throughout the season.. obviously for OHS reasons.. why should it be any different for guests to put lives in danger??!! I know it is a culture throughout resorts.. but the two (riding/skiing + drinking) should not be mixed at the same time. I'm suprised they allow the whole "pub to pub" adventure each year.

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    I like ski patrollers, they have a job to do and people should obey the rules for everyones safety.

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    Originally posted by Paul Oberin:
    I like ski patrollers, they have a job to do and people should obey the rules for everyones safety.
    I agree Paul. Aren't a majority of ski patol volunteers?
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    Originally posted by AndDee:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Polaris:
    It is concerning that a drunk anybody has done this if it is true.

    Fact was it was a drunk snowboarder

    End of story

    Best wishes to the person at the receiving end of the "accident"

    Worst wishes to the drunken snowboarder involved
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    oh and drinking and snow sports dont mix
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    Originally posted by JSJ:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Paul Oberin:
    I like ski patrollers, they have a job to do and people should obey the rules for everyones safety.
    I agree Paul. Aren't a majority of ski patol volunteers? </font>[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Very few are paid, though they get their pass as one of the perks. And if you were missing, injured or in need, that person in the red jacket with a cross on it quickly becomes a best friend.
    come on, just SNOW!

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    Originally posted by JSJ:
    I personally feel that no-one should be allowed to drink alcohol and then hit the slopes.. maybe ski patrol could introduce random breath tests on the mountain.. that would be very interesting! Perisher randomly breath tests their staff throughout the season.. obviously for OHS reasons.. why should it be any different for guests to put lives in danger??!! I know it is a culture throughout resorts.. but the two (riding/skiing + drinking) should not be mixed at the same time. I'm suprised they allow the whole "pub to pub" adventure each year.
    I disagree totally.
    I do not want to become a part of a nanny state.
    If people took more responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming someone/something else, then maybe we can get back some sort of balance to life.
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    I don't think random breath tests by patrol should be brought in, I do think that the RSA (responsible service of alcohol) needs to be adhered to much more strictly or things made tighter.

    I've seen quite a few incidents this season (on and off the slopes) where the person causing the trouble was well past the level they should have been served or drinking alcohol.

    As for the person at Falls - who ever it is I hope they recover fully and don't suffer long term damage to their body because of this.

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    I reckon if you're not fit to drive a car, then you shouldn't be allowed on the snow.
    Drink-driving is illegal because you can kill others with your own stupidity.
    Why is the snow any different?

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    Originally posted by Butters:
    I reckon if you're not fit to drive a car, then you shouldn't be allowed on the snow.
    Drink-driving is illegal because you can kill others with your own stupidity.
    Why is the snow any different?
    Because you are not riding a powered vehicle
    Snowmobiles, over snows etc all come under the DIU regulations as they should, they are registered road vehicles and should have all those rules applied as such
    Snow sports are inherently risky.
    They involve speed, natural and artificial obstacles.
    So does surfing
    So does skateboarding
    So does wind surfing
    So does golf for that matter!!!!

    Where do you want to stop?
    FFS I remember when kids used to fall off bikes or playground equipment and break an arm and treat it as a battle scar of growing up, not sue the local council for putting the park or playground there in the 1st place.

    A regulated blood alcohol level for snow sports is both unpoliceable as well as another step towards a Nanny State which I don't want my children to be a part of.
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    Wow quite a discussion.... sorry to here about the Dude... anyhoo there seems to be some question (for Me anyway) as to what should happen to the perp... and i cannot believe that there are no laws on the books to cover these things... here in the states if you are found to be negligent onslope and injure someone forget about skiing/riding at that resort EVER AGAIN and forget about your freedom for a while (depending on the injuries) for as much as a year ... accidents do happen sometimes it's not the drunk thats at fault (altho mostly it is) so its not like there are alot of jailed skiers and riders but it is food for thought
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    Originally posted by Polaris:

    Snow sports are inherently risky.
    They involve speed, natural and artificial obstacles.
    C'mon Polaris, surely you cannot condone being on the slopes whilst affected by alcohol.

    No doubt snow sports are inherently risky, but I think you're entitled to be protected from harm by some selfish imbecile who chooses to slide/ride whilst affected by alcohol. It's exactly why drink driving is such an issue, you cause hurt and injury to others, not just yourself.

    I can't believe u wouldn't be mighty ****ed if those same kids u don't want to grow up in a nanny state were taken out by a drunk whilst on the slopes.

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    Originally posted by Polaris:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Butters:
    I reckon if you're not fit to drive a car, then you shouldn't be allowed on the snow.
    Drink-driving is illegal because you can kill others with your own stupidity.
    Why is the snow any different?
    Because you are not riding a powered vehicle
    Snowmobiles, over snows etc all come under the DIU regulations as they should, they are registered road vehicles and should have all those rules applied as such
    Snow sports are inherently risky.
    They involve speed, natural and artificial obstacles.
    So does surfing
    So does skateboarding
    So does wind surfing
    So does golf for that matter!!!!

    Where do you want to stop?
    FFS I remember when kids used to fall off bikes or playground equipment and break an arm and treat it as a battle scar of growing up, not sue the local council for putting the park or playground there in the 1st place.

    A regulated blood alcohol level for snow sports is both unpoliceable as well as another step towards a Nanny State which I don't want my children to be a part of.
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    </font>[/QUOTE]Well said Polaris, I agree.

    It's all about being careful, observant & sensible enough regardless of what you are doing and if you are drunk, stoned, tried, injured or whatever.

    Most capable & sensible sportspeople/hobbyists can enjoy & partake in thier activity after a few drinks more safely than the seemingly increasing amount of idiots out there just being stupid.
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