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    no, it just makes sure the force input doesn't exceed the level of traction existing, and so prevents wheel spin or lock-up.

    i don't like the sales technique either, but lets take issue with that in a friendly way...

    on the dunlops, are there any reviews around online? i thought i had read something poor about those, but i don't remember, maybe it was an older dunlop.

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    There has been some chat about the Dunlops not being particularly puncture resistant - but as with anything on the www it depends on who is saying what. In any event it is raining quite solidly here in Canberra and a couple of hours ago I was out in my 4x4 with all wheels driven, and even with the Geo tread at 3mm (at the threshold for wet weather performance - nb still at twice the legal minimum) they were still well enough planted on the road.

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    This link, “Do winter tyres work?”, shows how the UK motoring magazine Autocar tested the effectiveness of winter tyres and high performance summer tyres. The vehicles shown are BMWs but the same applies to other makes (Subaru Liberty) that are referred to in this forum topic.

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    http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/winter-tyres/
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    http://www.autocar.co.uk/forums/t/10945.aspx

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    Do they work as well as summer performance tyres for the 99.95% tarmac driving??
    *insert witty comment here*

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    "Do they work as well as summer performance tyres for the 99.95% tarmac driving??"

    Depends on the tyre make and model, this info from UK will further help to explain.

    http://www.tyresafe.org/data/files/T...0tyres%202.pdf

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    Yep unless you live above the snow line or drive there everyday (or at least more days) they are over kill for Australia.
    How many days till it snows again?

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    Even then I don't see the point in Australia. If all you did was drive between DP and Hotham and back, or between Smiggins and Perisher and back, then maybe. But even living in Jindy I will never bother. A set of chains is much cheaper and the amount of times you actually need them is negligible. IMO

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    Has anyone ever priced a set of those Nokian tyres, I suggested them to a friend and he was horrified at the price, apart from that even if you have them fitted the law still says you have to fit chains, no exceptions just because you may a set of tyres that will get you there without chains, if the fit chains sign is up it is quite a substantial fine if you don't then fit them.

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    “Has anyone ever priced a set of those Nokian tyres”

    Paul, best if you give me a call (Richard 03 9822 9539) so I can confirm some actual pricing of Nokian AWD tyres for you.

    Let me give you this comparison so that you and other members of your forum will understand why the use of Nokian winter tyres is increasing each year.

    To buy, from a quality ski shop, such as yours
    Pants
    Parka
    Gloves
    Goggles
    Helmet
    Skis
    Bindings
    Boots
    Poles
    Cost is around $2500.00 +
    Cost 4 over winter seasons of use $625.00 per season, plus replacements or upgrades.

    To buy 4 x Nokian 16” winter tyres 215/65R16 102H
    for example, for VW Tiguan
    $1400.00 including fitting
    Cost 4 over winter seasons of use $350.00 per season, plus fitting/change over cost

    To buy 4 x Nokian 17” winter tyres 235/60R17 106V
    for example, for Subaru Outback, Holden Captiva or Ford Territory
    $1700.00 including fitting
    Cost 4 x winter seasons of use $425.00 per season, plus fitting/change over cost

    To buy 4 x Nokian 18” winter tyres 255/55R18 109V or similar
    for example, for Toyota Kluger or Prado, Mercedes ML, BMW X5, etc
    $2380.00 including fitting
    Cost 4 x winter seasons of use $600.00 per season, plus fitting/change over cost

    The “total cost” of using winter tyres for 4 months of the year is further reduced because you are not wearing out the summer tyres, the vehicle is much safer in all winter conditions, irrespective of who in the family is driving.
    You have to add in the cost at a tyre centre to do the change overs, but you will still be way in front cost wise.
    Sure you still have to carry snow chains and fit them when directed but think of how much safer the vehicle will be at all other times as well.
    The need for winter tyres, even in Australia, has been brought about by the issues caused by higher speed ratings in tyres, ie in the summer tyres that are fitted when the AWD vehicle is built, not by changes in the road, the weather, the driver or the vehicle specification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowtyres View Post
    You have to add in the cost at a tyre centre to do the change overs, but you will still be way in front cost wise.
    In front of what?

    As far as I can tell, it will cost me an extra $350-$600 per season (3 months) to have winter tyres and I still need chains, and I still have to fit them when directed, meaning I am sometimes driving on nothing more than a wet road with chains and winter tyres.

    Unless you are driving in these conditions almost daily for the season, I can't see what anyone is in front of.

    I am not saying you have a bad product or anything like that, but I dont think many of us here believe the cost is worth the benefit. Especially when I recall that for the last 3 years I have been driving to the snow in a 190kW front wheel drive hatch back with semi slicks fitted and have not had any issues (touching wood now!).
    *insert witty comment here*

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    I do agree with them being a very good tyre which is why I suggested my friend look at them for his Outback, he ended up getting some Michelins and I have been up to Hotham in his car since he has had them fitted, on the day we were told all cars including 4WD had to fit chains and the snow was down low that day, we got all the way up with no sign of any slip without chains on, but Subarus are good at that.
    Not many people would be bothered changing over tyres for the winter, and getting a second set of rims would be a real pain if not expensive, for most I think they just accept they will have to fit chains every now and then.

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    The problem with my compact 4x4 is that I can only get chains onto the driving wheels (RWD) as the front steering wheels will not accept chains even with raised suspension because of the clearance with the struts. My strong preference would be to have all wheels chained up if conditions are severe enough. So which ever vehicle replaces the current I will be looking closely at the ability to run chains all round (physical clearance and electronic traction devices).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowFlake View Post
    Yokohama Geolander A/T-S (GO-12) might work for you. Tread is reasonably blocky so there is some tyre whine on the motorway. They are very competent along gravel tracks and do well in the wet and cold. On my second set of this kind of tyre and will be buying the same again sometime this winter.
    *Thread Resurrection Alert*

    In case anyone was interested, I just had the Geolandar AT/S fitted to the Subaru Forester. So far (30kms in) I can report that they are just as quiet as the OEM HT tyres.

    Heading to the snowies in 4 weeks or so, I will report how they do in snow.

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    Yes I will be very interested in your opinion of those tyres. Have covered more ground on mine without any complaints. Great in the wet on my compact 4x4 and over bush tracks they hold up well even though the side walls are not up to dedicated 4x4 construction. They do shed mud and slush surprisingly well. Not exactly a winter tyre though.

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