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    Default Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    A guy called Sven Coomer is a genius at boot related matters and for a while now he has made a Zipfit cork liner for ski boots, but the newest liners are now improved even more with a better instep pressure relief on the tongue over the previous models.
    The Sven fit liner is good for around 450 days of skiing and can go from shell to shell as boot shells will not last that long, it constantly changes shape as required by the wearer, cork does not compress so this cork liner is way better than foam liners and is around half the price of foam, foam cannot be transfered from shell to shell unless the shells are exactly the same in every way.
    At around $435 rec retail they are a bargain, and if placed in a used ski boot with worn out liners the boots will be better and firmer than when they were new, so instead of buying new boots every few years, save money and really increase your ski performance by getting a Svenfit liner.
    I know in a new boot they will work out to be fairly expensive first up, as you have to buy the boot then the liner on top of that, but a $599 boot with a Sven liner is way better than a Strolz boot and less in price by quite a lot.

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    eh, I'm slow today

    ANYWAY

    Have you used them yourself Paul?
    Last edited by The Wang; 12-05-2010 at 12:40 PM. Reason: removed non-sensical, terrible joke

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    I haven't used the new improved liner that came out this year, the earlier one which I have had a very thick tongue and wasn't as comfortable on the instep, quite a few of the really good skiers I know use them and swear by them as the only liner to have in a ski boot. The fit on the foot is very good as the cork moulds to the shape of the foot, and if that shape changes then the liner changes to suit, as it does when fitted to a new shell.
    When you consider these liners last around 450 skier days they cost less than one dollar per skier day and fit firmer and more comfortable than any other liner.

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    From the Zipfit website.


    The Zipfit© and OneMinuteFit© man is (Sydney born) Sven Coomer. He developed and perfected the recent application of “OMFit” molding compound.
    After 25 years of competing and coaching in 7 sports through Olympic level, and studying engineering and industrial design, Sven began designing and developing ski boots with Nordica in 1970. That was in the transition from leather to plastic boots. His contributions there laid the foundations for the state of the art in today’s ski boots. In 1978 he opened a ski boot fitting and orthotics development shop at Mammoth Mountain, California, from which came more famous boot models, boot fitting schools and Superfeet. In ’88 he began Zipfit to develop the missing links, the orthotics and inner boots.
    OMFit is a proprietary formula of granulated cork and dry-ceramic “clay” binders. These combine to create the optimum viscosity and density to work in the extreme and most demanding environment of ski boots. The OMFit is perfected to perform within his other unique Dynamic Molding System. This enables the OMFit to adapt and work with you, allowing your anatomy to settle into the optimum and most efficient relationship and effective support within your ski boots. This changes constantly whether you are skiing straight or carving high speed or slow speed turns. It is not a casting of one passive position, as with foam or silicone injected liners. Sven was also accountable for developing the best ever foam liners and patented silicone liners.
    Dozens of formulas were tried in evolving this one functional recipe that works; responding perfectly with your anatomy dynamics and body heat within the complex demands and environments encountered in skiing. Cork is superior because it never compresses, deteriorates or shrivels-up the way all of the synthetic materials, foams and fillers did in extended testing. Cork yields under pressure and vibration without deforming or losing support and always returns to original memory. OMFit is also organic, the best insulation and the most ergonomic feeling around your anatomy. In addition, it lasts for at least 600-700 days of hard skiing. The paste is proven to promise you the best fitting, warmest, most comfortable, supportive and best performing ski boots you could ever imagine.

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    So will my boots need these or should I be happy with what you fitted me?
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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    The only thing better than a Sven fit is a boot I have fitted myself.
    Of course if I fit a Sven fit liner then even better again.


    Seriously though yes they would be an improvement even on what you have, I will have to get you a set or maybe John Morgan can look after you.

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    Will I get those things stuck to me and then tortured for 20mins?
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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    How small do they make them Paul?

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    They make them in all adult sizes, I have a meeting with the importer on Friday so can find out more then.

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    They certainly sound interesting.
    *insert witty comment here*

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    Paul,

    Jumping over to this thread to not hijack the other one re foot problems!

    After the pain and fiddling around with lots of changes to my footwear since having Haglands deformity flare up big time over Christmas I am keen to ensure my ski boots don't cause problems - While I wouldn't say I am "filthy rich" I am very interested in these liners - especially if they can help my issues, and, as you say, if they last that long the overall lifetime cost is actually not too bad.

    Have been google-ing and looking for more info - it seems the trick with these is getting the correct liner from their range to match your ski boot/foot combination (and then having them fitted properly) - do you carry a full range (I would imaging it would not be cost effective to do so?) or can you work out what is needed in advance and get it in? If I do decide to go down this path, can you work out the liner needed in advance (save 2 X trips to visit you)


    Cheers

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    There are two main ones to consider, the Grand Prix is the most popular and fits 90% of the boots used today by recreational skiers, The world cup was a thiner liner used mainly by racers for plug boots, but now a newer model called the Gara replaces them, I wouldn't recommend the Gara although I have it in stock unless you have a very low volume boot.

    I will have a full size range of the grand prix liner in stock on Friday, but as always people need to make an appointment as I am busy with boot fitting this time of year.
    I agree at $435 and seeing as how Zipfit claim they will last over 600 days they are good value.

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Oberin View Post
    I agree at $35 and seeing as how Zipfit claim they will last over 600 days they are good value.

    $35 - Bargin - book me in!!


    Typo I assume - should it be $350?

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    Woops. Should be $435

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    The website www.zipfit.com pretty well covers what you need to know.
    I am amazed at how much this guy from Sydney has influenced the ski boot industry over the years, he developed the Nordica Grand prix boot which is considered the first boot of its kind and is what most other boots are based on originally, then he went on to develop the Raichle flexon boot which is still a classic shape and very much in demand, he also developed the power strap which today is an essential part of all good boots. He is now 70 years old and hopefully he will keep going on improving the ski industry footwear.

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    I had the importer here last night who delivered me some stock of this new improved liner, it is quite different to the one I already had here for myself, I look forward to trying this new one out, not there is anything wrong with my current standard boot liners.

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    I have just done a set of the new improved version of the Sven fit liner for my own boots ( Tecnica Dragon 120), and the fit is very good, I am quite impressed but not surprised as i heard they were good from far too many good skiers and boot fitters so was expecting a good fit, they are firmer than my factory Tecnica liners and just as comfortable, not that I had a problem with comfort as my boot fitter knows how to get them right.

    In the shop they feel great, but the true test will be first day I go skiing, I cannot feel any lose spots and heel hold is very firm, of course I have custom footbeds so the overall feel is like a very firm sock. If they do develop a lose spot later I can always top up the cork filling.

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    Had an unexpected quick trip up to Benalla last Friday so took the opportunity to duck up and see Paul with my boots on Saturday.

    The pain I developed with Haglands Deformity around Christmas was excruciating, and it has taken until now for it to subside - had to get new shoes and all sorts of padding to remove pressure/rubbing on the "bumps". I only need to wear on old pair of shoes for an hour or so and I can feel the pain comming back, even with shoes that used to be OK.

    I was fearful that one day in my ski boots may be enough to bring back the pain and spoil my skiing.

    Paul was excellent (as usual) and blew out my boots in the heel where the bumps are - won't be able to tell 100% until I get to do some skiing but I am now hopefull that all will be OK. If not then Plan B is foam or svenfit liners but fingers crossed that they won't be needed - of if they are it is a long way down the track when these liners are worn out!

    Thanks again Paul for your excellent service.

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    So are footbeds still required or does this liner also mould and conform to the sole of your feet?

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    Default Re: Don't buy new boots, get a Svenfit liner.

    No liner should mould to the sole of your feet, that is what a custom footbed is for, if a liner did that, for many foot shapes it would cause some serious fit problems.

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