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    I agree, but you can't argue against the media, the greater percentage of people believe everything they're told and everything they're told is by the media.

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    some good points, more study is still needed though, before we know for sure what is happening

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    *sigh* I dont think we can dispute that releasing all teh carbon back into the atmosphere at the current levels is not going to be good...

    This we need co2 for plants to live is great...really impressive grade 4 science there...

    lets look at the bigger picture in this aslong as we stop tearing down all the forests and replant we might have a chance to offset some of the emmisions.
    end of the day sure the earth will survive...its been through worse inteh past its a question of how we as a race will go.

    Just think of the frogs.

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    There seems to be a quiet trend now in science to ask not so much how King Kanute can hold back nature, but how best we live with and adapt. No more than common sense really. Alarmist reports and calls for urgent action and $$$ run the risk of exhausting good will before we really have a path figured. To say the 'science is settled' on anything is like saying that we never could move beyond Newtonian mechanics and that quantum mechanics could never ever...

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    I dont think anyone really doesn't believe that climate change is occuring, sure it has occured in the past it comes down to the causes for these significant changes.
    Have we played a part in this? Yes.
    Is human action the only cause? No.
    Does that mean we should not look at the impact we have on the environment? No.

    We need to be aware of our planet, not because we will destroy it but it will destroy us.

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    Do carbon offset credits exist? Does god exist? I dunno know, but I'd love to have a tax exempt church or a cardon trading scam
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    Originally posted by Vet:
    Do carbon offset credits exist? Does god exist? I dunno know, but I'd love to have a tax exempt church or a cardon trading scam
    To late Vet Al Gore has a patent on it.

    A quote in Al Gore Profiteering

    "In fact, just two months ago, ABC News.com estimated soon-to-be-Nobel Laureate Al Gore's net worth at $100 million, which isn't bad considering that he was supposedly worth about $1 million when he watched George W. Bush get sworn in as president in January 2001.

    Talk about your get-rich-quick schemes, how'd you like to increase your net worth 10,000 percent in less than seven years?"

    Its ironic for a " green saviour" that the Mission Statement for his company

    Generation Investment Management GIM

    "Mission and Values

    Mission

    * Deliver superior investment performance by taking a long term investment view and integrating sustainability research within a rigorous fundamental equity analysis framework.
    * Create long term client partnerships by delivering unique investment insights and exceptional client service.
    * Attract, retain and develop the best professionals within a passionate investment culture through a commitment to Our Values.

    Our Values

    Commitment to Clients

    Our first commitment is to provide exceptional service to our clients. The best way to achieve this is to deliver superior long term performance.
    Integrity

    Integrity and honesty are the bedrock of our business. We demand the highest ethical standards in our work and in our personal lives.

    Excellence and Innovation

    We aim for excellence in all that we do. We are committed to hard work, creativity and innovation in our effort to improve our investment processes and to provide the highest quality service to our clients.

    Teamwork

    We especially value teamwork. We consider each of the women and men with whom we work as individuals entitled to respect, dignity and recognition on the basis of merit.

    Diversity

    We want our team to reflect the diversity of the communities and cultures in which we operate in order to draw from the wisdom of many different backgrounds and perspectives.

    Sustainability Research

    We are committed to an investment philosophy that integrates sustainability research with rigorous fundamental equity analysis. This is the best method of long term investing to protect the interests of our clients. We also believe that just as economic success must be sustainable, sustainability must include economic success.

    Independence

    We are committed to an independent employee owned partnership as an enduring business model.

    Responsible Citizenship

    We recognize our responsibility to live in accordance with our values, to be responsible to the communities in which we live and work and to the world community as well. We endeavor to be good citizens, support charities, be mindful of ways to help our employees fulfill their family responsibilities and serve their communities, and protect our environment and natural resources."

    And it seems to be doing well for himself and his clients and i dont read anywhere in that statement about reducing carbon or saving the planet its all about the almighty $. Refer GIM commitment to clients.

    But a nice satellite photo on its web page of a desert sand storm. What relevance to climate change ? But sure looks DRY!!!!

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    Hey Al, you forgot motherhood and apple pie too.
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    Originally posted by CAYENNE:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Vet:
    Do carbon offset credits exist? Does god exist? I dunno know, but I'd love to have a tax exempt church or a cardon trading scam
    To late Vet Al Gore has a patent on it.

    We recognize our responsibility to live in accordance with our values, to be responsible to the communities in which we live and work and to the world community as well. We endeavor to be good citizens, support charities, be mindful of ways to help our employees fulfill their family responsibilities and serve their communities, and protect our environment and natural resources."

    i dont read anywhere in that statement about reducing carbon or saving the planet
    </font>[/QUOTE]I think the last paragraph sort of sums it up CAYENNE. Remember, this is a mission statement, not an essay!!

    Al Gore might be profiting out of it, but he is raising awareness.

    Should we cut our emmisssions? absolutely. We consume too much and expel way too much waste. It will be the end of us, no matter how many trees we plant, or how variable our planets temperature is.

    The whole global warming debate takes focus of the small difference we can make. This is the problem with thinking on a global scale, we think we can't make a difference.

    Focus on our little local environment, our own home and community. Just cut out a bit...we don't need it, and we are not certain that it isn't having an impact on our time as humans on this planet.

    uh oh...legths has had a couple... [img]graemlins/cold.gif[/img]

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