View Full Version : 200- - it;s over
montague
19-08-2009, 02:16 PM
The snow conditions are just crap. The weather forcast is not good.
This will go down as the worst season ever!
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 02:18 PM
oh for **** sake...
Buddy the resorts still have lifts open more 80 -90% of trails open. it is far from over.
montague
19-08-2009, 02:22 PM
not after this week - it is about to poor with rain
The Frog
19-08-2009, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by montague:
The snow conditions are just crap. The weather forcast is not good.
This will go down as the worst season ever! We passed the worst season ever over a month ago. :rolleyes:
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by montague:
not after this week - it is about to poor with rain I will believe that when i see it...
John Deere
19-08-2009, 02:33 PM
Definitely not the worst season ever!
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 02:34 PM
I really don't know why I am bothering
BUT....
For those who don't realise that your are just flaming (and i am sure you are)
I just counted 20 seperate years on the snow accumulation chart that had under 200cms. We are currently standing at 206cm. That combined with the best snow mking ever means this is far from a crap year.
Podlettte
19-08-2009, 02:35 PM
Go look at weatherzone Montague, in all liklihood and sorry frog but I hope weatherzone are right, it will rain then snow each little front......
montague
19-08-2009, 02:38 PM
My point is the weather has been very bad, extreme wind very wet snow (when it has snowed), a lot of fog etc etc.
I don't believe the snow accumulation charts, that depth isn't any place I have skied.
montague
19-08-2009, 02:40 PM
PS It was actually colder in western sydney this morning than at the top of Thredbo..
montague
19-08-2009, 02:40 PM
as a roosters supporter, I would have to agree
Middo
19-08-2009, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by montague:
This will go down as the worst season ever! For the Roosters and the Sharks.
Originally posted by ozgirl:
I just counted 20 seperate years on the snow accumulation chart that had under 200cms. We are currently standing at 206cm. That combined with the best snow mking ever means this is far from a crap year. I don't think snow accumulation charts tell the full story. It does not account for rain washing the snow away.
For example, it snow accumulation was 300cm for the year, but is also rained 400cm (unlikely I know but its just an example), well you would hardly call it a good quality snow year would you?
Originally posted by ozgirl:
oh for **** sake...
Buddy the resorts still have lifts open more 80 -90% of trails open. it is far from over. But is it worth travelling the 6 hours down from Sydney and paying $100/day for?
Podlettte
19-08-2009, 02:44 PM
kort, OG is talking about depths recorded at Spencers creek. they record the depth of natural snow every week, so regardless of how much rain falls, it records the actual snow depth at spencers creek on 1 day each week, therefore takes into account lost snow
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 02:44 PM
snow accumulation is just that snow accumulation.
NOT how much snow is on the ground. It is the total of every cm of snow that has been recorded as fallen.
It is standard accross the industry and at every resort around the world. A lot of resorts I have worked at use it in their marketing.
For example Winter Park, Co use the term 365" a lot. That is because they recieve on average 365" of snow.
Not that their base is 365" because then there would be a lot of chair lifts that need to be dug out.....
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by kort:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ozgirl:
oh for **** sake...
Buddy the resorts still have lifts open more 80 -90% of trails open. it is far from over. But is it worth travelling the 6 hours down from Sydney and paying $100/day for? </font>[/QUOTE]Kort that is not what Montague is saying (or myself for that matter)...
and i admit that is a personal choice. And a total seperate argument.
I don't know its so short.
I quite liked skiing January, March, April, May, June, July, August, maybe a bit of September, ... and then Jan, March, April ... graemlins/outtahere.gif
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 02:53 PM
Can you tell this is really p-ing me off...
Montague stated in his header - it is over.
The lifts are still open so it is not over!
The rest of his arguments are plain wrong as well.
And for the record Kort - i have two trips booked for. One not paid for at all. If the conditions are EXACTLY the same as today then i am going and skiing.
When i get to a jindy or a day or two out from those trips - i will reasses.
Doesn't anyone else believe in postive thinking.
Me thinks those of you who are negative neelys are just jealous because you wont be skiing anymore this season whether there is snow or not tongue.gif
John Deere
19-08-2009, 02:55 PM
Well at least its a debate that sparks some interest!
In my opinion, not a great season, not the worst season ever.....probably average or just below.
Its over if Frog is right and not over if Weatherzone is right!!
The Frog
19-08-2009, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Podlettte:
Go look at weatherzone Montague, in all liklihood and sorry frog but I hope weatherzone are right, it will rain then snow each little front...... says here as well. smile.gif
montague
19-08-2009, 03:01 PM
possitive yes, but you have to be realistic. To travel to the resorts from Sydney is a major excercise, and expensive!
Originally posted by ozgirl:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> But is it worth travelling the 6 hours down from Sydney and paying $100/day for? [/qb]</font>[/QUOTE]Kort that is not what Montague is saying (or myself for that matter)... [/QB][/QUOTE]
I recall 5000 were really happy to just ski Bourke Street and Baldy in May for $20 so I think cost can fuel the ire.
In the lift lines the grumblers complain of race depts fencing off whole runs, and forcing the rest to divert down ungroomed grassy bits to a massive queue. Less runs, longer queues, same hole in the wallet. All thesefactors build up the frustration levels.
At the lodge a group of 20 Europeans and English people said they just felt ripped off. They were happy with 'aussie' snow, just not the costs. Again it was a value for money thing.
We can feel your frustration Montague.
John Deere
19-08-2009, 03:02 PM
Oops, working on yesterdays news....looking at both frogs and weatherzone, the amount of pre frontal rain will decide wether the season is done or not.
I suspect its pretty much done.
finrz
19-08-2009, 03:02 PM
then don't go.. simple really.
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 03:04 PM
JD I was about to say 'here hear'. And still would like too but i thought i woudl check facts as well.
Using the data available to me (the snowy hydro snow depth chart).
The average accumulative depth in the last 40 years is....
wait for it
192.80 cm's
So we are above average - right now (curent accumulative depth being 206cm)! that combined with snow making is good
[ 19. August 2009, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: ozgirl ]
Originally posted by ozgirl:
snow accumulation is just that snow accumulation.
NOT how much snow is on the ground. It is the total of every cm of snow that has been recorded as fallen.
It is standard accross the industry and at every resort around the world. A lot of resorts I have worked at use it in their marketing.
For example Winter Park, Co use the term 365" a lot. That is because they recieve on average 365" of snow.
Not that their base is 365" because then there would be a lot of chair lifts that need to be dug out..... hehe Sorry - I mis-read. smile.gif
I am retard:)
The Wang
19-08-2009, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by ozgirl:
JD I was about to say 'here hear'. And still would like too but i thought i woudl check facts as well.
Using the data available to me (the snowy hydro snow depth chart).
The average accumulative depth in the last 40 years is....
wait for it
192.80 cm's
So we are above average - right now (curent accumulative depth being 206cm)! that combined with snow making is good Accumulative snowfall is 206cm, not depth.
Depth was at 120cm or so last Thursday. Not sure what it is now but either way it's below average at the moment.
I gotta agree. Measuring current conditions of any resort by accumulation is pretty useless. Snow depth is the only measure that should be taken into account. As someone pointed out, there may have been 400cm of accumulation but if the snow depth is only 80cm, then it's not looking good.
Was planning on heading down this weekend for a 4 day bender (from Sydney) but have pulled the plug on it due to the weather. My choice and I'm certainly not that upset about the whole thing. Just would prefer to save my money for a better weekend is all.
I guess I should point out it's not just the rain forecast for this weekend that has made me pull the plug either, strong to gale force winds are also on the cards which generally mean lift closures as well. That's enough crosses for me to stay in Sydney and go watch the Eels beat the Tigers instead.
Podlettte
19-08-2009, 03:40 PM
Snow accumulation is totally different to Snow depth at Spencers creek Oz...
Where are you taking the 206cm measurement?
and the charts you are looking at are they the snowy hydro season charts?
If they are, then they aren't snow accumulation, they are snow levels.
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 03:43 PM
with all due respect oz girl....
there is NOT nor anywhere near 206cm.
I will agree this is not the worst season ever.
I would say this is an excellent season. And probably better than what we will get from now on!!
I haved lived on the hill for a while now And am watching the seasons get shorter and shorter every year. There is NO denying this.
Old mate needs to cheer up a bit though
The Wang
19-08-2009, 03:43 PM
206cm cumulative snowfall is from the Thredbo snow report
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 03:44 PM
hi wang
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 03:46 PM
hydro reading tomorrow will be way less
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 03:48 PM
Okay peps. It seems i have gotten confused - and i am very happy to admit that I was wrong....
I did mean to write in my post on the avergae accumulation "snowfall" but accidently wrote depth.
And even if i had accumulative snowfall then comparing it to the snowy hydro chart is wrong.
So just to clear things up
Over the last 40 years the average snow depth (which is what the snow hydro measures NOT accumulative total - the resorts do that themselves) was 192.80cm.
Right now at spencers creek it is 122cm.
So yes we are at below average but according to the charts
1969 was 114.6
1982 was 91cm
1993 was 112.2
2006 was 85.1
So there have still been far worst seasons - and reinterating that this years snow making has been the best ever. Well they have the capacity to snow make a lot how manyhours compared to other season i dont know either.
But yes you are right that the rainfall is a big consideration. But unfortunatley i don't have that data to hand. But if someone else does then by all means post it.
But back to Montague orginal post the season is not over...
Any thing could happen with the weather. Maybe the sleeping giant will wake up....
As for whether you want to ski or not that is total up to you and a seperate arguement. If that is the discussion Montague wanted to have then he should have started that discussion.
Reality is the discussion about whether a ski trip is currently worth it is off topic going by the first post.
The Wang
19-08-2009, 03:48 PM
Hey fonc!
Rhistman
19-08-2009, 03:49 PM
Hi Guys, i just returned from Perisher - The cover is ok, i had a good time. Little sticky at places after rain but lots of places are open with NO snow making.
Double trouble was open and many fresh spots to be found (if you are very advanced) Smigs took a hit with the rain - but heys its low. People were still having a great time. Sun was out - lovley days !!
I have been there when its much worse. yes we all want fresh powder,, but its Aus - its rare to happen and be there when it is... Go and have a great time Aus skiing. The guys on the mountain are wroking hard to keep everything open.
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 03:52 PM
MASSIVE!! cold snap coming in mid september!
you read from the fingers of fonc
you mark my text/type/post/word
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by foncusmaximus:
with all due respect oz girl....
there is NOT nor anywhere near 206cm.
I will agree this is not the worst season ever.
I would say this is an excellent season. And probably better than what we will get from now on!!
I haved lived on the hill for a while now And am watching the seasons get shorter and shorter every year. There is NO denying this.
Old mate needs to cheer up a bit though And your respect is appreciated Foncus.
I had realized my mistake and was compiling my response as you wrote yours.
I just got a little hot under the collar :) and should have taken a deep breath before geting fired up!
Originally posted by ozgirl:
Can you tell this is really p-ing me off...
Montague stated in his header - it is over.
The lifts are still open so it is not over!
The rest of his arguments are plain wrong as well.
And for the record Kort - i have two trips booked for. One not paid for at all. If the conditions are EXACTLY the same as today then i am going and skiing.
When i get to a jindy or a day or two out from those trips - i will reasses.
Doesn't anyone else believe in postive thinking.
Me thinks those of you who are negative neelys are just jealous because you wont be skiing anymore this season whether there is snow or not tongue.gif To be jealous you have to want what the other person has. Given I do not want to ski in Oz conditions I can't be jealous.
In a way I am actually in awe at how you can still enjoy riding in the current conditions.
OG - its all relative. You sound like the kind of person that will ski regardless of conditions and still enjoy it. Thats all good, but there are other people who are a bit pickier when it comes to snow conditions. In my eyes (and I only speak for myself here!) the Oz season is definately over for the reason being I would not want to ride in those conditions.
I am all for positive thinking, however I am also a realist.
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Rhistman:
Hi Guys, i just returned from Perisher - The cover is ok, i had a good time. Little sticky at places after rain but lots of places are open with NO snow making.
Double trouble was open and many fresh spots to be found (if you are very advanced) Smigs took a hit with the rain - but heys its low. People were still having a great time. Sun was out - lovley days !!
I have been there when its much worse. yes we all want fresh powder,, but its Aus - its rare to happen and be there when it is... Go and have a great time Aus skiing. The guys on the mountain are wroking hard to keep everything open. Thats great news Rhistman...
Maybe that is another problem Montague has he is just jealous that he is not as good a rider as the rest of us and is stuck on the lower slopes and unable to find the fresh spots you describe ;)
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 03:58 PM
i tell ya about hot under the collar!!!
its 8 deg outside im in shorts
went ski touring in shorts IN AUGUST!!!!!!
THATS hot............. no not my fury chicken legs,they are a bit white
Podlettte
19-08-2009, 03:58 PM
you should have got up and gone and stared at that tv screen for a little while to cool yourself down, or walked down to Central Baking Depot on Erskine st to grab a delicious chocolate au pain *drool*
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 04:09 PM
Pods you have just reminded me that i have a chocolat muffin hidden under a napkin on my desk :)
Kort - no hard feeling at all to you buddy. And you are right i will always ski Aus. Having done back to back seasons the thought of waiting 12 mths between slides is enough to make me cry. Remember this is the chick who flew to the US, then drove 8 hours rtn in one day all for a 30th birthday slide.....
And my passion to ski is what has got me off my behind and travelling the world so I was always be passionate about it.
But again i will keep saying - the season is not over. The lifts are still open. It may be over for you and thats your choice. I just dont like the flaming posts some people put up.
Podlettte
19-08-2009, 04:14 PM
if people think the season is over with the amount of snow still on the ground, they are kidding themselves (note to me: scan in pics from 1993)
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 04:19 PM
Yes please Pods - you keep referring to these pics and never posting.
Donza
19-08-2009, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by Podlettte:
if people think the season is over with the amount of snow still on the ground, they are kidding themselves (note to me: scan in pics from 1993) hai times two.
Donza
19-08-2009, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by ozgirl:
Yes please Pods - you keep referring to these pics and never posting. they are ugly ugly.
At blue cow there was a strip down zalis (then it was called...ummm damn I always forget).
side saddle was the same.
terminal was strip.
No ridge.
No rollar coaster.
And that was this pretty much august and september.
Rhistman
19-08-2009, 04:35 PM
Kort where do you ski/board? - bit of powder snob? The lower mountains have taken a hit with rain @ like 1600 and lower (eg Smigs) but at perisher olympic was open (its hardly ever open unless there is good cover), Blue cow all fine, rock garden nice (few rocks showing but hey its called rock garden). It was great, yes rutted at the start, few big drop offs but good to practice on. Zalis good, excellerator tip top, rollercoaster open, Mt P great cover, Brumbys, everything really except parashoot at Guth. Which in the last 7 years i have done it once, which was last year.
Parks were all open and fun
I reckon its nice to ski on snow that has softened in the sun a bit, Better that ice. 10am start after a big night. yeee haarrrrr.
Ive been to Japan the last two years as well, so i know what powder is like. Powder is great of course but you will have to travel for it.
The season is not over in Aus (well Perisher), just spring skiing conditions.
For POW - Jackson Holes here i come 2010!!!!!
karen97
19-08-2009, 04:38 PM
The snow quality is not fantastic, but it ain't over yet!! Plenty more fun to be had :D
montague
19-08-2009, 04:45 PM
I know how to ski. At least I was at Falls Creek during the last week of the NSW school hols.
Skiing Tues 21 July blue sky and not much wind, then wednesday a big dump. Thurs 23 July was probably the best day of skiing for the entire season thus far. Sub zero max, powder a foot deep and blue skies. It was just magic.
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 04:48 PM
And your point Montague? I was also skiing that week....
And I agree it was the best week.
So why did you say in the first post that this season was crap??
[ 19. August 2009, 03:49 PM: Message edited by: ozgirl ]
Podlettte
19-08-2009, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Donza:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ozgirl:
Yes please Pods - you keep referring to these pics and never posting. they are ugly ugly.
At blue cow there was a strip down zalis (then it was called...ummm damn I always forget).
side saddle was the same.
terminal was strip.
No ridge.
No rollar coaster.
And that was this pretty much august and september. </font>[/QUOTE]Zali's used to be Stampede
Early starter lift used to be called 2-up double chair
the run underneath was called the Milk Run
Guthega had strips for t bar tracks and strips for skiing back down, too bad if you wanted to turn! hahaha
I don't have a scanner at home. Might have to take pics of them instead
Donza
19-08-2009, 04:58 PM
Thats it - stampede.
That was the year I learnt to snowboard..at BC
Caboose
19-08-2009, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by montague:
My point is the weather has been very bad, extreme wind very wet snow (when it has snowed), a lot of fog etc etc. i'm sorry, but i disagree
the fresh snow i have ridden this season has been some of the driest Aussie snow i have found & IMO i reckon the quality of the snow has been pretty good for Oz - it has also stayed in good conditions a couple of days after a fall
last decent fall on Friday the 8th of August was some of the best snow i have ridden
Sat 8th out of bounds was some of the driest snow i have ridden in Oz
nothing wet or sticky about it
yes it has been windy and foggy which ****s
also i don't think we have had the normal pre-frontal rain before it has snowed
maybe you should get off your couch and head down there and ride it :rolleyes:
:fishing:
skijacski
19-08-2009, 05:03 PM
Sorry everyone, but I disagree, THERE IS SNOW!
OMG I skied today and it was on snow...........
Heaps of snow out there, and I had fun.
Thredbo has heaps of snow, the outback has heaps of snow, and today I skied again outback and there is heaps of snow. Nearly went to Charlottes Pass and back but decided I was hungry and finished with a lovely long downhill to the back of Merrits from the main range.
This is SNOWATCH, not DOOMWATCH.
Caboose
19-08-2009, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by montague:
possitive yes, but you have to be realistic. To travel to the resorts from Sydney is a major excercise, and expensive! depends if you are staying in the penthouse with 6 plasmas at $28K for a week
i do it pretty cheap without any fuss
2 weekend of September is going to cost a friend about $400 (includes accom, lift ticket, petrol & food)
it is going to cost me about $100- $150
[ 19. August 2009, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: Caboose ]
Caboose
19-08-2009, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by skijacski:
Sorry everyone, but I disagree, THERE IS SNOW!
OI!! ^^ graemlins/cold.gif
montague
19-08-2009, 05:09 PM
I made the mistake and went back for 5 days, It wasn't good
karen97
19-08-2009, 05:14 PM
Being at the snow is never a mistake Montague ;)
The Wang
19-08-2009, 05:16 PM
montague is one hell of a fisherman
[ 19. August 2009, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: The Wang ]
Caboose
19-08-2009, 05:18 PM
i thought we were only allowed 1 thread on the same topic?? ;)
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by The Wang:
montague is one hell of a fisherman I could think of other things to call him but that would be taking his bait...
Opps I have already done that and admitted to it..
Originally posted by Rhistman:
Kort where do you ski/board? - bit of powder snob? The lower mountains have taken a hit with rain @ like 1600 and lower (eg Smigs) but at perisher olympic was open (its hardly ever open unless there is good cover), Blue cow all fine, rock garden nice (few rocks showing but hey its called rock garden). It was great, yes rutted at the start, few big drop offs but good to practice on. Zalis good, excellerator tip top, rollercoaster open, Mt P great cover, Brumbys, everything really except parashoot at Guth. Which in the last 7 years i have done it once, which was last year.
The USA and Japan have been my favoured destinations for a number of years. Am I a powder snob? Absolutely. Your descriptions of the conditons have certainly NOT stirred up any desire to ride blue cow, etc. A happy to wait until Jan for my annual snow trip (Lake Tahoe got the nod for this season)
Originally posted by Rhistman:
Ive been to Japan the last two years as well, so i know what powder is like. Powder is great of course but you will have to travel for it.
Which I am prepared to do without hesistation.
Nowadays I am more about quality of snow rather then quantity. Years ago I was all about being up for first lifts and riding until the last lift of the day regardless if it snowed or not. Now I am much more selective (or snobby?!). I am happy to be there for first lifts (in some cases I will hike the mountain an hour before 1st lifts to guarantee my slice of pow) but I have no need to ride all day, every day now. If I feel the quality of snow is not "up to scratch" (in my eyes), I won't go up.
After spending the season in the US in 07/08, my outlook on Oz skiing changed significantly. My season ticket in the US cost me AUD$500 - I did 75+ days of riding which averaged out to less then $7/day. I tended to average 5-6 days a year in Oz so a season pass year ($1000+) was not worth it, which left day tickets as my only option. Having "paid" under $7/day to ride in the USA, I found hard to accept paying $100/day here regardless of if it dumped or not (more often it didn't/doesn't dump). After thinking about it, I decided skiing in Oz was simply not value for money (my own personal decision), thus I don't ride here. I am sure I have missed some "epic" days, but with that money I didn't spend at the Oz snow, I used it for other pursuits I enjoy - basically I don't feel like I have lost out at all.
could I afford to snowboard in Oz? Yes I could, but I don't think there is much "bang for your buck" here - I am a fan of "value for money" (as you can prolly guess), and I don't think Oz snow provides it. That's my personal opinion. I don't mind if people ski in Oz - I mean its totally their money and their call. I just consciously elect not to.
[ 19. August 2009, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: kort ]
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by ozgirl:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by The Wang:
montague is one hell of a fisherman I could think of other things to call him but that would be taking his bait...
Opps I have already done that and admitted to it.. </font>[/QUOTE]but maybe if we keep pushing he might chuck a tanty like someone did here (http://www.snowatch.com.au/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010479;p=9#0002 15)
and disapear. If you look at his previous post all he has ever done is post negative comments.
He is probably the same person.
Why bother contributing to this forum if all that you are going to write is negative....
Barcoo
19-08-2009, 05:27 PM
This is about the 4th or 5th worst season so far, yet it was a bumper 10 days for me as we had lots of freshies,long runs, no ice and slush and I loooove slush.
Hale to the snow makers.
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 05:34 PM
I tell ya Barcoo it really helps with your technique to ski in that slush! Sorts the men out from the boys so to speak.
That run you and I did on saturday was interesting - but i tell ya i learnt a lot!!! Thanks
karen97
19-08-2009, 05:37 PM
So are you a bloke now OG? Or are you still waiting for them to drop? tongue.gif
[ 19. August 2009, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: karen97 ]
Caboose
19-08-2009, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by kort:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Rhistman:
Kort where do you ski/board? - bit of powder snob? The lower mountains have taken a hit with rain @ like 1600 and lower (eg Smigs) but at perisher olympic was open (its hardly ever open unless there is good cover), Blue cow all fine, rock garden nice (few rocks showing but hey its called rock garden). It was great, yes rutted at the start, few big drop offs but good to practice on. Zalis good, excellerator tip top, rollercoaster open, Mt P great cover, Brumbys, everything really except parashoot at Guth. Which in the last 7 years i have done it once, which was last year.
The USA and Japan have been my favoured destinations for a number of years. Am I a powder snob? Absolutely. Your descriptions of the conditons have certainly NOT stirred up any desire to ride blue cow, etc. A happy to wait until Jan for my annual snow trip (Lake Tahoe got the nod for this season)
Originally posted by Rhistman:
Ive been to Japan the last two years as well, so i know what powder is like. Powder is great of course but you will have to travel for it.
Which I am prepared to do without hesistation.
Nowadays I am more about quality of snow rather then quantity. Years ago I was all about being up for first lifts and riding until the last lift of the day regardless if it snowed or not. Now I am much more selective (or snobby?!). I am happy to be there for first lifts (in some cases I will hike the mountain an hour before 1st lifts to guarantee my slice of pow) but I have no need to ride all day, every day now. If I feel the quality of snow is not "up to scratch" (in my eyes), I won't go up.
After spending the season in the US in 07/08, my outlook on Oz skiing changed significantly. My season ticket in the US cost me AUD$500 - I did 75+ days of riding which averaged out to less then $7/day. I tended to average 5-6 days a year in Oz so a season pass year ($1000+) was not worth it, which left day tickets as my only option. Having "paid" under $7/day to ride in the USA, I found hard to accept paying $100/day here regardless of if it dumped or not (more often it didn't/doesn't dump). After thinking about it, I decided skiing in Oz was simply not value for money (my own personal decision), thus I don't ride here. I am sure I have missed some "epic" days, but with that money I didn't spend at the Oz snow, I used it for other pursuits I enjoy - basically I don't feel like I have lost out at all.
could I afford to snowboard in Oz? Yes I could, but I don't think there is much "bang for your buck" here - I am a fan of "value for money" (as you can prolly guess), and I don't think Oz snow provides it. That's my personal opinion. I don't mind if people ski in Oz - I mean its totally their money and their call. I just consciously elect not to. </font>[/QUOTE]is kort a powder snob or just in a better socioeconomic situation than others or both???
i'm screwed by work & lack of money to ride OS
i'm happy to pay for my season ticket $1000 usually works out to riding in Oz for less than $50 a day
the quantity i look at is time on snow - not really the quality - i'll pretty much ride anything in every condition - yep i'm crazy
also the benefit or riding with a crew of your mates is the most important part of Oz riding for moi
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 05:43 PM
Haha
Thats why I said so to speak!!!!
But I have always been told I ski like a bloke!
Maybe Montague should come on the slide weekend (he can sleep on our couch cant he? So it will be free, if money is his concern) And I will race him...
But he wouldn't show his face - afraid we will know who his real identiy is...
karen97
19-08-2009, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by ozgirl:
Haha
Maybe Montague should come on the slide weekend (he can sleep on our couch cant he? So it will be free, if money is his concern) And I will race him...
Ummmm, no he can not sleep on out couch. Why race him? what are you trying to prove? Can't you just agree to disagree?
Barcoo
19-08-2009, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by ozgirl:
I tell ya Barcoo it really helps with your technique to ski in that slush! Sorts the men out from the boys so to speak.
That run you and I did on saturday was interesting - but i tell ya i learnt a lot!!! Thanks I am so Glad to have that extra run with you Oz as we didn’t ski on our last day.
If you can ski the crud you can ski any thing (sheet ice excluded)
Happy to help. :D
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 05:52 PM
I can agree to disagree....
The race was to get his competive juices going and entice him to come for the slide weekend and see how much fun you can have with a great bunch of people... and also and inside joke between you and me after our conversation the other day...
The couch thing was a joke - but if he really wants to show his face he can get his own way there.
O/s is so cheap you might be able to do both. Some here have this great and cheap accom (we're neighbours Kort) and used the info posted here to grab bargains on all components of the trip
Work-wise, January is quiet and Easter 2010 marries up with the school holidays so we'll be off twice next year.
Fyi Alpine World has a $970AUD offer for 7 nights, 6 days of lifts and a car. Add AirNZ at $893AUD for Melb-Auckland-SanFran return including taxes. Or United has a $930 fare from Melb or Sydney. Vaustralia has cheaper fares via Syd to LA.
So it can be affordable to do both.
So put some friend together and try both.
Originally posted by Caboose:
is kort a powder snob or just in a better socioeconomic situation than others or both???
i'm screwed by work & lack of money to ride OS
i'm happy to pay for my season ticket $1000 usually works out to riding in Oz for less than $50 a day
the quantity i look at is time on snow - not really the quality - i'll pretty much ride anything in every condition - yep i'm crazy
also the benefit or riding with a crew of your mates is the most important part of Oz riding for moi Perhaps I am both - I am in a fortunate position where I can take holidays at relatively short notice for fairly long periods of time. Hence overseas trips do get something of a workout.
Reasons for skiing in Oz has been discussed ad-nauseum, most recently here (http://www.snowatch.com.au/forum/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=009888#000000)
Caboose - Like I said to Ozgirl, I am in awe of your enthusiasm to ride in all conditions - that personifies "doing it for the love of the sport" smile.gif
Polaris
19-08-2009, 06:00 PM
Today was fine!!!!
Once the off piste softened it was as good as it gets for Oz in Spring time.
The only pity about that statement is that it is 19th August graemlins/cold.gif
I was quite surprised how the hill has held up after Sundays rain. Yes, sections have been rain effected and others are a bit light on in places but the skiing is fun.
Stay in Sydney montague and polish your fishing rod.
Originally posted by Vet:
O/s is so cheap you might be able to do both. Some here have this great and cheap accom (we're neighbours Kort) and used the info posted here to grab bargains on all components of the trip
Ahh those AMEX promotions can do wonders to rewards points balances :)
The Frog
19-08-2009, 06:09 PM
Still some big systems hanging around the globe at the moment. It doesn't take much of a change in patterns for a dump to happen. 2C can make all the difference.
Maybe we need a sacrifice.
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 06:14 PM
I know someone we could k%ll..........i mean sacrifice graemlins/cold.gif
september could do a wammy flip still
Im callin it frog
montague
19-08-2009, 06:15 PM
Hook, line and sinker me thinks!
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 06:19 PM
only mukin M,
we wouldnt use you..........
we want snow graemlins/snow.gif
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by foncusmaximus:
only mukin M,
we wouldnt use you..........
we want snow graemlins/snow.gif graemlins/big_laugh.gif
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 06:20 PM
I just hope tube town holds up
thats all I care about
I love that place
SnowSnow
19-08-2009, 06:22 PM
graemlins/big_laugh.gif @ Fonc. Drive all that way to go tube sliding.
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 06:23 PM
just looked outside
grey bad lookin clouds a comin
dont look pretty
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by SnowSnow:
graemlins/big_laugh.gif @ Fonc. Drive all that way to go tube sliding. dude i cut sick there
sponsored turning pro
got my own pro model tube coming out
im still playn with the shape
prolly gona be round still but with funk
ozgirl
19-08-2009, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by foncusmaximus:
I just hope tube town holds up
thats all I care about
I love that place You dont need a tube - just waiting for 24 to edit the video from Saturday's effort at fun. I have a vid but his is better. May have to post mine if he doesn't hurry up. (oh and it is not of the flare run)
Caboose
19-08-2009, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by montague:
Hook, line and sinker me thinks! tool!
montague
19-08-2009, 06:33 PM
those clouds = rain and lots of it
Podlettte
19-08-2009, 06:34 PM
Hey Kort - if you are after reliable powder, not sure why you're going to tahoe. They certainly get their fair share of it, but they also get sierra cement and are reknonwed for their blocking highs that hang around for a few weeks at a time.
Boardingbuny
19-08-2009, 06:36 PM
Im happy to sacrifice the husband for snowfalls smile.gif
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 06:38 PM
dont forget cloud seeding
seen that produce before
Podlettte
19-08-2009, 06:40 PM
graemlins/big_laugh.gif BB
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 06:41 PM
cant remeber having a blow fly in the lodge in august before.
been trying to get him for hours now.
little punk is quick
BlueHue
19-08-2009, 06:41 PM
OMFG not this argument again!
After 3 days at Thredbo, cover is still pretty good and there is still plenty of skiing to be had. Most terrain, snowmaking or not, is still open with not too many hazards compared to the norm.
Weather is awesome for the moment and the riding is like spring. Firm first then softening nicely before getting slushy later with no crowds :D
Went out into the Ramheads and down to Dead Horse Gap today and out to Signature Hill yesterday and there were still some lines with dry snow to be had that blew in on Monday.... probably won't be dry after todays temps though!
My own conclusion, season definitely not over (unless you are a powder snob of course tongue.gif ) but if you can, get in quick for some nice spring turns cause IMO the season will be over early if good snowfall does not return.
Pods, Kort and I wish we went to Japan instead of Tahoe. Oh well, we're allowed a mistake. Japan's better and cheaper too, but don't tell anyone.
[ 19. August 2009, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: Vet ]
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by foncusmaximus:
cant remeber having a blow fly in the lodge in august before.
been trying to get him for hours now.
little punk is quick maybe the fly is attracted to what montague is talkin
montague
19-08-2009, 06:45 PM
-------------------
2009 - the winter of discontent
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by montague:
-------------------
2009 - the winter of discontent hook line and sinker
montague
19-08-2009, 06:47 PM
sorry - I was originally talking about Mt Baw Baw
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 06:50 PM
love to stay and play but I have 33 people to cook dinner for
peace out
play nice
Podlettte
19-08-2009, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Vet:
Pods, Kort and I wish we went to Japan instead of Tahoe. Oh well, we're allowed a mistake. Japan's better and cheaper too, but don't tell anyone. Yeah I know, and as you know I loved heavenly for what it offers. There are better areas in the states for reliable powder, but I'd have to sacrifice you if I told you tongue.gif
SnowSnow
19-08-2009, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by foncusmaximus:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SnowSnow:
graemlins/big_laugh.gif @ Fonc. Drive all that way to go tube sliding. dude i cut sick there
sponsored turning pro
got my own pro model tube coming out
im still playn with the shape
prolly gona be round still but with funk </font>[/QUOTE]Good on you! smile.gif It's still classic. What's gonna be next though, Pro sliding down FV after the lifts have shut on maccas trays. Did that a couple of yrs ago. Wen't down a couple of weeks after the season had finished stole some trays and slid down FV. So much fun!
Originally posted by Vet:
Pods, Kort and I wish we went to Japan instead of Tahoe. Oh well, we're allowed a mistake. Japan's better and cheaper too, but don't tell anyone. graemlins/big_laugh.gif graemlins/big_laugh.gif ;)
Originally posted by Podlettte:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Vet:
Pods, Kort and I wish we went to Japan instead of Tahoe. Oh well, we're allowed a mistake. Japan's better and cheaper too, but don't tell anyone. Yeah I know, and as you know I loved heavenly for what it offers. There are better areas in the states for reliable powder, but I'd have to sacrifice you if I told you tongue.gif </font>[/QUOTE]hehe it all good pods :) I know where to go. Tahoe was chosen this season for several reasons, not purely for pow, although of course i pray i am fortunate to get a snowstorm like you got (or 3!!) :)
foncusmaximus
19-08-2009, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by SnowSnow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by foncusmaximus:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SnowSnow:
graemlins/big_laugh.gif @ Fonc. Drive all that way to go tube sliding. dude i cut sick there
</font>[/QUOTE]Good on you! smile.gif It's still classic. What's gonna be next though, Pro sliding down FV after the lifts have shut on maccas trays. Did that a couple of yrs ago. Wen't down a couple of weeks after the season had finished stole some trays and slid down FV. So much fun! </font>[/QUOTE]Anyone remember the days when the sundeck hotel would give ya garbage bags to slide home on at nite
that was drunk fun
ps i won the world toboggan championships in niseko in 07
held by the apre bar and red bull
no bull! have fotos
John Deere
19-08-2009, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by ozgirl:
JD I was about to say 'here hear'. And still would like too but i thought i woudl check facts as well.
Using the data available to me (the snowy hydro snow depth chart).
The average accumulative depth in the last 40 years is....
wait for it
192.80 cm's
So we are above average - right now (curent accumulative depth being 206cm)! that combined with snow making is good Glad you realised and corrected this.....the season is definitely below average, but has given us more good days than 2006 by a good margin.
BTW when I say its over I mean for winter skiing (at mid Aug...that is bad!). Spring skiing is obviously on until the ground and your bases are too close to each other for your comfort.
Sure we might get the odd fall between now and stumps yielding the odd good day, but we get that every spring!
I have a warm feeling in me gusset about the next two weeks. That could mean snow, it could mean it's time to change the undies :confused:
John Deere
19-08-2009, 11:03 PM
Is your feeling warm enough for me to make a second carton of grog :D
Why not?
I'll have a carton of Peroni on PB reporting 30cm or more in their "New Snow in the last 7 days" report sometime between now and Thursday 27th August (2010). Nah just kidding, 2009.
As my old dad used to say "A mug and his grog are soon parted".....time will tell which one of us is the mug :D
Podlettte
19-08-2009, 11:32 PM
My knee is not and has not all season except once, twinged so either it's broken and no longer works as a pre warning system for big fronts, or nothing this season has proved worthy!
Certainly nothing in the short term coming up either
Topic: 200- - it;s overI don't understand :confused:
Was this thread really ment to be about the 2009 snow season?
What is "200- - it"
What is ";s over"
:D
The best games are won in the second half after many fans have given up and left during half time, the ones that stayed behind get the thrill of a lifetime.
Bring on the second half comeback.
Middo
20-08-2009, 07:54 AM
Reggae Ellis (sp?) on 2UE about 30 mins ago was calling 20-40cm of snow "out of this system". Big call.
By "system" does he mean August and September?
Can that second half please start early next week? Just before I get to PB?
Originally posted by John Deere:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ozgirl:
JD I was about to say 'here hear'. And still would like too but i thought i woudl check facts as well.
Using the data available to me (the snowy hydro snow depth chart).
The average accumulative depth in the last 40 years is....
wait for it
192.80 cm's
So we are above average - right now (curent accumulative depth being 206cm)! that combined with snow making is good Glad you realised and corrected this.....the season is definitely below average, but has given us more good days than 2006 by a good margin.
BTW when I say its over I mean for winter skiing (at mid Aug...that is bad!). Spring skiing is obviously on until the ground and your bases are too close to each other for your comfort.
Sure we might get the odd fall between now and stumps yielding the odd good day, but we get that every spring! </font>[/QUOTE]Totally don't want to give the wrong impression, the season is not over, you can have fun in aus, blah blah, but...
snowyhydro charts show snow DEPTH not accumulative snowfall.
our snow depth this season was 122 cms before the rain. and yes the average is around 192 for peak.
check how many years have been worse than this one... it isn't many.
that is a comfort to me, cause i can have fun in a carp year, and i haven't yet skied a good aussie year (where good is defined as depth over the average).
smile.gif
ps the tip-off that it is depth on those snowyhydro charts is that those charts decline as well as rise. it is impossible for accumulative figures to get smaller in a given year. they just increase every time it snows.
smile.gif
John Deere
20-08-2009, 10:29 AM
Psst....24....the diff between fall and pack was sorted a few pages back ;)
John Deere
20-08-2009, 10:31 AM
Oh and I define last year as a good (albeit short) year.....6 weeks from July we had excellent snow quality and consistent falls down to 1400m.....the wheels fell off at the end, but Jul/Aug was damn good!
The Frog
20-08-2009, 10:53 AM
Shops and resorts would say a good year is light snowfalls in June and a full cover during July school holidays.
John Deere
20-08-2009, 11:22 AM
But we don't care about them frog....we care about the skiing graemlins/skier.gif
Shorty936
20-08-2009, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by ozgirl:
Doesn't anyone else believe in postive thinking.
Me thinks those of you who are negative neelys are just jealous because you wont be skiing anymore this season whether there is snow or not tongue.gif I believe in positive thinking OZ, even if I am boarding on a patch of ice on FV there is a positive
ATLEAST I AM NOT STUCK AT WORK tongue.gif and down at perisher :D
Crazyman
20-08-2009, 11:49 AM
Shorty you have a valid point there!! The only exception is if there are 500 other people on the same patch of ice!
Originally posted by Shorty936:
I believe in positive thinking OZ, even if I am boarding on a patch of ice on FV there is a positive
ATLEAST I AM NOT STUCK AT WORK tongue.gif and down at perisher :D If the quality of snow is not there, one can do other recreational actitities in winter besides ski/snowboard (am I allowed to say that here?!) ;)
Most activities are better then working thats for sure!
Which Victorian resort has had the most dark blue and blacks open the longest?
I feel that Buller is, too often and for too long, really been only the Summit area, the crowded upper section of Lt Buller Spur and Shakey Knees. Unlike Kort, I couldn't just ski o/seas but would I defect to FC or Hotham - who in their right mind would drive to Hotham or Falls for a weekend.
John Deere
20-08-2009, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by IAB:
Why not?
I'll have a carton of Peroni on PB reporting 30cm or more in their "New Snow in the last 7 days" report sometime between now and Thursday 27th August (2010). Nah just kidding, 2009.
As my old dad used to say "A mug and his grog are soon parted".....time will tell which one of us is the mug :D OK...I am on!!! Another bet I can't lose....would gladly pay a carton for 30cm!!!
I think I have less chance of winning this one than Donzas though! graemlins/skier.gif
Shorty936
20-08-2009, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Crazyman:
Shorty you have a valid point there!! The only exception is if there are 500 other people on the same patch of ice! Have to keep warm somehow graemlins/cold.gif
The Frog
20-08-2009, 05:26 PM
What odds would anyone give me on Spencers Creek snow depth getting up to 150cm this season?
foncusmaximus
20-08-2009, 05:29 PM
whats the reading from today first
get back to me I love a bet
13-1
John Deere
20-08-2009, 05:34 PM
115cm at the moment according to BOM....amazing that it hasn't lost very much!! Another 30cm would make some good skiing.....come on Peroni, get me this 30cm!!!!
Donza
20-08-2009, 05:51 PM
JD i'm lurking
frog i see 1992
The Frog
20-08-2009, 05:58 PM
1992 would be great. We still had 147cm at the start of November.
It was 78cm first week of August then 170cm in the last week of August and then went up to 316cm late in Sept from three dumps.
Donza
20-08-2009, 06:02 PM
My dad called me from Cambodia the other day and said son...this coming months weather reminds me of 1992.Its going to change
Oh BTW this is his birthday..is it a sign?
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr185/donza00/mydadsbirthday.png
Coyote
20-08-2009, 09:30 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/3838864981_6b551abd48.jpg
So in summary, its the constitution, its Mabo, its justice, its the law, its the vibe, its, no thats it - its the vibe?!
Barcoo
20-08-2009, 10:10 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Frog:
1992 would be great. We still had 147cm at the start of November.
It was 78cm first week of August then 170cm in the last week of August and then went up to 316cm late in Sept from three dumps. [/QUOTE
Thats right, look at 89 as it Dose not look great on the snow depths yet the whole of Sep was very very good, saved our season and it happened in 79, see a patten?. It could happen this year young grass hoppers. Not to mention next year being a 0 (very excited)and with no spots on the sun.
Touch wood as I don't want to jinx it
[ 20. August 2009, 09:13 PM: Message edited by: Barcoo ]
The Frog
20-08-2009, 10:25 PM
hang on, the charts only turned for the better when someone said the season was over....don't jinx it now. The next two systems are line ball in regards to the temp getting low enough before most of the moisture passes.....fingers crossed (and yes it's the vibe) smile.gif
Originally posted by John Deere:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IAB:
Why not?
I'll have a carton of Peroni on PB reporting 30cm or more in their "New Snow in the last 7 days" report sometime between now and Thursday 27th August (2010). Nah just kidding, 2009.
As my old dad used to say "A mug and his grog are soon parted".....time will tell which one of us is the mug :D OK...I am on!!! Another bet I can't lose....would gladly pay a carton for 30cm!!!
I think I have less chance of winning this one than Donzas though! graemlins/skier.gif </font>[/QUOTE]:cool:
The magic number is currently sitting at 0cm but the prospects seems to be getting better with each update. Next weekends Snowatch Slide might not be a weekend in the pub after all :( I mean :D
You can bring my carton next weekend JD, assuming you're game enough to turn up this year of course ;)
The Frog
20-08-2009, 10:41 PM
If I hadn't had such a bad run with forecasting over the last few weeks I would be jumping up and down about the next week saying that MAJOR dumpage was very possible, but I won't say anything. graemlins/cold.gif graemlins/outtahere.gif
Go on Frog, you know you want to.
And as for a couple of minor diversions re: actual v. forecast, to quote that wise old philosopher IAB:
"To err is human, to stick your neck out and make the call rather than sitting on the fence like some chicken sh!t is amphibian."
smile.gif
Legolas
20-08-2009, 10:55 PM
graemlins/big_laugh.gif graemlins/woohoo.gif graemlins/emoticon_skier.gif
just be thankful that the lifts have opened at all on the Big Isle
Down here on the Little Isle, we have had 5 major dumps of around 10-15cm, which normally would see the whole mountain covered, all lifts runnign and an awesome season. However, each of those dumps have been quickly folloed by two or three days of rain and it all washes away again.
The lifts on Ben lomond have not turned for the paying public at all this season, so SDS i kicking in worse than ever. I am even going up to the Ben for the weekend, just to say i went during winter.................and drank lots tongue.gif
The Frog
21-08-2009, 12:59 AM
You might get some good snow tomorrow night in Tassie.
[ 21. August 2009, 12:00 AM: Message edited by: The Frog ]
but there is nothing for it to stick too. The hill is all wet and lots of water moving about, so if it snows, it will be gone again in a couple of days, and certainly won't be enoughto open any lifts
HothamSkiTragic
21-08-2009, 01:17 AM
45 cm will fall next Tuesday - Wednesday
The wind is picking up but it's warm I tells ya and has a hint of spring pollen. There was plenty of dust and dirt starting to layer and 'crater' the top crust.
Tomoz won't be a good day for sliding on the mountain - unless your slush, in that case it will a good day for sliding off the mountain. I think the river may break it's bank.
Yesterday was the last day I will do the Summer Road part of Village Trail.
If it's open - I hope your on rental skis.
If this snow doesn't come I'm blaming Barcoo smile.gif (the sleeping giants sandman)
BlueHue
21-08-2009, 08:21 AM
Morning All.
Frog, after looking at the charts this morning all I can say is you poor b*gger trying to forecast tonights and next Tuesdays snow. Challenging!
Polaris
21-08-2009, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by The Frog:
1992 would be great. We still had 147cm at the start of November.
It was 78cm first week of August then 170cm in the last week of August and then went up to 316cm late in Sept from three dumps. I found an old photo of that!!!!
Interesting perspective of the Skitube terminal at perisher.
I will try and scan and post it
BlueHue
21-08-2009, 08:24 AM
Oopps wrong thread, though I was in the morning thread!
My first 3 years sking were 1990-1992. Thought that was normal. 1993 was a shock.
snowninja
21-08-2009, 09:46 AM
Isnt spencers creek in a nice sunken little glade between Perisher and Charlottes Pass? I'd like to see an official base measurement from say Friday Flat or Smiggins
Donza
21-08-2009, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by snowninja:
Isnt spencers creek in a nice sunken little glade between Perisher and Charlottes Pass? I'd like to see an official base measurement from say Friday Flat or Smiggins Why? Who skis smiggs or FF? They are representative of maybe 5% of the hill. The worst parts too.
Spencers creek is actually an area of a bunch of measuring poles, its as fair as it can be
How Where exactly is Spencer Creek?
Is it in the boundaries of either Thredbo or Perisher?
Do you reckon Thredbo and Perisher will ever start to report their own snow depths?
I can't say I have heard of an other resort that reports snow depth this way.....
The Frog
21-08-2009, 10:58 AM
Spencers Creek is closer to Charlottes.
Barcoo
21-08-2009, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by kort:
How Where exactly is Spencer Creek?
Is it in the boundaries of either Thredbo or Perisher?
Do you reckon Thredbo and Perisher will ever start to report their own snow depths?
I can't say I have heard of an other resort that reports snow depth this way..... I wish they would Kort as spencers Creek is 9.8km as the crow flies from Thredbo.
Last year Thredbo had more than Sp Creek, this year Thredbo has less.
Thank god for Spaz's reports. :D
[ 21. August 2009, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: Barcoo ]
Max depth I measured = 98cm
(Spencers Crk at this time was 121.2cm)
That was on 23rd July after 16cm fell, not in exposed locations either, >1800m.
Friday Flat 20cm of groomed cover - pretty standard across the resort for the groomed, it gets as thin as 7cm - less than that is grass and dirt.
Wind drifts and wind blown areas will vary, my estimates; Bluff 1.5m, GCB 2m. The only place with more than 3m is Antons where they've pushed snow to build a massive 60' jump.
[ 21. August 2009, 12:15 PM: Message edited by: spaz ]
John Deere
21-08-2009, 07:11 PM
C'mon Peroni!
Still on 0cm!
All I need is a little help from Mother Nature and the Perisher Marketing Department (there's a six pack in it for you guys!) ;)
Hey IAB - isn't your sig a bit outdated?
Barcoo
21-08-2009, 11:37 PM
Next year it will be over 200cm, as we all know I am never wrong ;) :D
Middo
22-08-2009, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by kort:
Hey IAB - isn't your sig a bit outdated? Yep, Hornsby Shire's the place to be :D
Taxman
22-08-2009, 12:42 AM
Only Chamois was operating all day at Buller. Its not looking promising.
Well we're off the mark on 1cm. Just 29cm to go!
But Thredbo are reporting 10cm graemlins/big_laugh.gif
[ 22. August 2009, 07:51 AM: Message edited by: IAB ]
John Deere
22-08-2009, 09:11 AM
I am lucky you picked PB :D
chunky
22-08-2009, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Donza:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by snowninja:
Isnt spencers creek in a nice sunken little glade between Perisher and Charlottes Pass? I'd like to see an official base measurement from say Friday Flat or Smiggins Why? Who skis smiggs or FF? They are representative of maybe 5% of the hill. The worst parts too.
Spencers creek is actually an area of a bunch of measuring poles, its as fair as it can be </font>[/QUOTE]And at least for thredders Spaz gives us a pretty good looksie at what is going on there.
John Deere
22-08-2009, 05:30 PM
PB magically measured 3cm after thredders 10cm call :rolleyes:
[ 22. August 2009, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: John Deere ]
dilbert
22-08-2009, 05:58 PM
its far from over still plenty of skiing to be done
Up to 6cm, 24cm to go graemlins/woohoo.gif
SnowFlake
23-08-2009, 10:56 AM
Canberra Times reports it has been a bumper season - certainly had some great days (snow makers take a bow) till the rain arrived, but bumper no. Spring skiing, well the next week will tell.
John Deere
23-08-2009, 01:33 PM
Newspapers always report a bumper season....thats cos a media company owns PB, Hotham and Falls!
KStud
23-08-2009, 04:40 PM
I hope there is some left for the September school holidays. Have paid for the van at Mt Beauty to be left on site till then. Arrived back from PB last Sunday and Monday's temp in Brisbane was far too warm. We have already reached 31 degrees this week. Feels like Winter is over up here. Never even lit the fire this Winter.
chunky
23-08-2009, 04:51 PM
The reporter from Hotham - Marcus when he was reporting the slushy snow he said he loves the slushy bumps. Who's he kidding? The naive and stupid.
Yeah warm temps KStud. We hit over 30 on the way back up along the Newell yesterday. Even out there for winter that's high. They were saying Birdsville had 38 yesterday :eek: It's August!
KStud
23-08-2009, 05:11 PM
We hate the slush. Yeah Chunky, trust the media to turn a negative into a positive. The only problem with the slushy bumps is they refreeze over night into lumpy unskiable crud if they are off piste! The only people who like slush are the first timers who come in Spring and think it is real snow! Probably won't be worth putting the new skis on in September. Back to bettering my boarding skills (at least it won't hurt if I stack it!). The way its going my boarding will soon match my skiing! Anyway can't complain, I have already done 32 days this season which equates to $31/day for lift tickets.
Podlettte
23-08-2009, 05:37 PM
slush ****s but slushy bumps are kinder on knees than icey bumps!
Podlettte
23-08-2009, 06:43 PM
Depends how much slush IMO. A little bit of slush thats just softened on top can make for very forgiving skiing. Lots of slush is an injury waiting to happen.
Oohh this is BH by the way.
My graph from last year......Thredbo has received about 1m less compared to 2008...
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii304/cleeshoy/Oz_snowfall_cumulative_20081005.jpg
Weatherzone are now predicting 20-40cm for Tuesday, down to 1000m :eek: graemlins/woohoo.gif
John Deere
23-08-2009, 07:49 PM
Noice!
Yep, I'm with you there KS. I'll be revisiting snowboarding for my September week if it's really slushy! At least if that's the case I will still have loads of fun. So I'd rather it be a foregone conclusion than an um or ah...ski/board. I just hope Thredboland is still swinging for the youngen.
John Deere
24-08-2009, 04:45 PM
C'mon Peroni!!!! graemlins/thecold.gif
John Deere
25-08-2009, 09:46 AM
17 to go graemlins/woohoo.gif
John Deere
25-08-2009, 09:46 AM
I never wanted to lose a carton so much in my life....maybe I am un-Australian!
Shorty936
25-08-2009, 10:07 AM
haha I think you will lose your carton
Richard
25-08-2009, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by John Deere:
I never wanted to lose a carton so much in my life....maybe I am un-Australian! italian beer..
karen97
25-08-2009, 12:05 PM
The snow is fantastic today!
Boardingbuny
25-08-2009, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by karen97:
The snow is fantastic today! Do you ever work??
D-Dog
25-08-2009, 05:02 PM
lol, not on a powder day, when i was in aspen many of the shops had signs on the doors saying
'if more than 6 inches has fallen overnight we wont be open until midday'
karen97
25-08-2009, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Boardingbuny:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by karen97:
The snow is fantastic today! Do you ever work?? </font>[/QUOTE]yes
Half way there: 15cm reported, 15cm to go.
I think I might be in the beer by tomorrow morning JD :D
The complete bummer is the forecast for this weekend for the Snowatchers Slide :(
The weather is a fickle thing. One of the best fronts for weeks immediately followed up by a major ra!n event. Fingers, toes and everything else crossed the air turns out to be colder than what is currently forecast.
Then it will be the weekend of the season!!
Looks like I might owe you a carton of Peroni JD!
Perisher are reporting 7 day snowfall of 28cm, just 2cm short of the target. Let's see what they say tomorrow.
Meanwhile, Thredbo are happily reporting a whopping 62cm over the same period :eek: Silly me picking the wrong resort - I didn't realise Thredbo got so much more snow :rolleyes: ;)
Mind you, if I'd said Thredbo you probably wouldn't have taken the bet! ;)
[ 26. August 2009, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: IAB ]
John Deere
26-08-2009, 11:30 PM
They only need a bit to go over and it was snowing when I left this arv, so might be good for you!
Perisher have to find a drift like Thredders do ;)
Don't they measure on the lee side of a rock. ;)
John Deere
27-08-2009, 02:20 PM
The peroni is in my grasp!!!! :D
Donza
27-08-2009, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by John Deere:
The peroni is in my grasp!!!! :D gee are you going to be ****ed
in fairness PB is off the mark.....and so is thredbo...the truth lies in the middle...and not in a drift or a windward plain.
The Wang
27-08-2009, 03:18 PM
The Spencers Creek depth reading will be interesting today
Barcoo
27-08-2009, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by The Wang:
The Spencers Creek depth reading will be interesting today Very
SnowSnow
27-08-2009, 03:39 PM
Oh and it's so over isn't it.... graemlins/cold.gif With blue ribbon opening for the first time today. Wonder why it took them so long go get it open. I'm guessing they thought if we don't open it after this storm it's probably the last chance to get it open.
And Monty has somewhat, seems to have disappeared.
foncusmaximus
27-08-2009, 03:41 PM
are we gona take wind blown into the account?
i have a thirty foot wind drift outside my bedroom window
and the other side of lodge is grass still
foncusmaximus
27-08-2009, 03:42 PM
monty will be back
on friday sat when its raining
John Deere
27-08-2009, 04:03 PM
Its official....two cartons of grog coming my way....one Peroni, one Boags!!!!
graemlins/woohoo.gif
SnowSnow
27-08-2009, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by foncusmaximus:
monty will be back
on friday sat when its raining I concur. :D
The Wang
27-08-2009, 04:42 PM
Depth updated - 147.7cm
what was it last week again?
popshuvit
27-08-2009, 04:46 PM
Around 115cm kort..
cheers pops......32cm is impressive.....especially when its so cold ....
:D
[ 27. August 2009, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: kort ]
karen97
27-08-2009, 06:19 PM
Today was sweet! Some of the nicest turns of the season :D
Originally posted by John Deere:
Its official....two cartons of grog coming my way....one Peroni, one Boags!!!!
graemlins/woohoo.gif Congrats JD. One carton of delicious Peroni coming your way :D
Are you going to be at the slide this weekend, I can give it to you then?
Originally posted by karen97:
Today was sweet! Some of the nicest turns of the season :D Today would have been superb, I am very jealous Kaz :D
Especially looking at the forecast for this weekend :(
John Deere
27-08-2009, 10:44 PM
Should be there IAB!
Originally posted by John Deere:
Should be there IAB! :cool:
I'll buy a carton on the way up tomorrow night so I'm paying Sydney and not Jindy prices :D
And you can buy me a beer tomorrow night in the Banjo, it will numb the $$$ pain a bit ;)
And the rest of you can buy me a beer to celebrate the glorious England Ashes win graemlins/cold.gif
The Frog
27-08-2009, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by The Frog:
What odds would anyone give me on Spencers Creek snow depth getting up to 150cm this season? fonc was giving me 13-1...lucky I didn't take it as I would have been 3cm under. With the rain tomorrow night/Saturday I can't see it getting up to 150.
Why are you swearing Frog. :(
SnoWhite
27-08-2009, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by karen97:
Today was sweet! Some of the nicest turns of the season :D Ain't that the truth!!! Best snow I've had this year. My 'day of the season'.
The Frog
28-08-2009, 05:15 PM
Good news and bad news for tomorrow:
Bad news is NSW should get rained on and a little snow overnight. :(
Good news is VIC resorts might actually get good snowfalls tomorrow above about 1500m. smile.gif
Silverwitch
28-08-2009, 05:44 PM
Hey frog, I am tossing up whether to go skiing just for the day on Saturday ..how much rain is expected..will Selwyn be too wet..sounds like it to me...I am thinking Perisher is higher up and maybe not as much rain??
[ 28. August 2009, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Silverwitch ]
The Frog
28-08-2009, 08:29 PM
BOM say 21-40mm. All NSW resorts will be wet.
darrend
28-08-2009, 08:53 PM
Ok lets do a deal,,,,,,NSW can have the rain and Victoria can have some snow...... :D tongue.gif
John Deere
28-08-2009, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by IAB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by John Deere:
Should be there IAB! :cool:
I'll buy a carton on the way up tomorrow night so I'm paying Sydney and not Jindy prices :D
And you can buy me a beer tomorrow night in the Banjo, it will numb the $$$ pain a bit ;)
And the rest of you can buy me a beer to celebrate the glorious England Ashes win graemlins/cold.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Crook as at the moment at home......might drive down tomorrow if I am better......if not, I am sure we can have a beer at Sharky's one arvo! :D
Silverwitch
28-08-2009, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by The Frog:
BOM say 21-40mm. All NSW resorts will be wet. Thanks Frog smile.gif ..I dont think I will bother ..next weekend might be better....running out of weekends! :eek:
Middo
29-08-2009, 01:12 PM
G'day,
Just got back from 6 mostly great days in Thredbo. I will post some photos later.
Highlights:
Being in Thredbo. The snow that fell, especially at night. The area around Bushranger was superb. It held fresh snow and caught windblown (probably all that fell in The Basin ended up in this area just below Snowgums Chair). Bushranger would have been my favourite area for the whole week.
My thanks to Thredboland who looked after my 5 year old daughter, especially to Jen (2) who was her instructor (what a pleasant young lady). She guided the kids well in Merritts yesterday, despite some dodgy iced-up areas. She is a credit to Thredbo.
Lowlights.
The Basin. It was severely scoured and unpleasant to ski (during the limited time it was open). Also, on Wednesday (I think that it was Wednesday), when Antons T was finally opened - when it probably shouldn't have been, trying to negotiate the Traverse over to Merritts. The Ts were difficult to negotiate for most of the week, the surface of the tracks being extremely slippery, hard and cut to bits. Another low point was heading over to The Cruiser just after 8.30am and the lift not being ready. It eventually didn't re-open for 2 days due to wind and problems with ice.
Sadly I didn't get to do Funnelweb. I was worried about my two dodgy knees. I later found out from my 2 boys (16 and 10) that it was in reasonable condition and I could have done it. Oh well, maybe next year.
Dream Run was ok for 2 days, but yesterday probably would have been the last day until it gets fresh snow on it.
All in all, it was a great 6 days away. The kids behaved reasonably well with us and perfectly with others.
Cheers (pics and more coments to come later) smile.gif
John Deere
29-08-2009, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Middo:
especially to Jen (2) who was her instructor (what a pleasant young lady).TTIUWOP!
foncusmaximus
29-08-2009, 01:33 PM
carn monty where is ya?
SnowSnow
29-08-2009, 06:50 PM
Where's Monty? Thought he'd be here by now to tell us all that it is over and it's raining.
[ 29. August 2009, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: SnowSnow ]
claydough
30-08-2009, 12:58 AM
just back from awesome week @ Hotham. Definately a convert.The top of Heavenly on Wed.('cept for the gale) was magic! :D
Its -4.4 here at Buller. Lots of white stuff fell last night too. tongue.gif
SnowSnow
30-08-2009, 10:44 AM
Was -6 @ hotham @ 8am. Temps starting to drop in nsw to now. Another epic dump on the cards?
John Deere
01-09-2009, 08:02 PM
Happy to be wrong and have two cartons of grog owing I can tel you :D
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