Super Flexy Park/Jib Boards

[Caboose]

recommendations/Brands

how short can i go these days?

85kg and about 165cm (5ft 6 ish)

[The Wang]

http://www.robertsski.com/webpgss/artificial3.jpg

[Caboose]

see now that is a skatey not a board

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[Silence]

Libtech Skate Banana comes to mind

[Tobi]

http://www.lib-tech.com/snowboards/skatebanana.html

[Princess]

Capita. Use to have one and it was softer than the Dominant I have now. It was a good board.

[chris y]

you ride a 159 in your normal board ( I think that's right) so you should be able to go down to 156 or even a 154 , can't wait to try this rome I have got in the park this season . I went up a little in size this time as I hope it will be o.k. as an all round board ,and fantastic in the park graemlins/boarder.gif

[Hammo]

Get a K2www sweet board!!

[Torz]

while on the subject..i need a new board. had a look at ride fever 147 which i rode for a few days last year and loved..and the nitro nyx 149 that i dont know much about
Been riding for a few years and spending my second season up there this year..time 2 update!

suggestions welcome!
cheers

[booter]

try the skate banana, i got a 156 and im 85kg 5"9 size 11boots. no problems, would have liked it a little wider but havent had any issues with drag like i thought i might. cant reccommend the board highly enough.

[DTizL]

No one has suggested the Rome Artifact. A lot of park junkies ride this board so it should be decent. Just be aware this board has softer bronze edges. I personally don't reckon it'd be that durable for riding the whole mountain.

I was going to get one myself, but decided to hold off until next year to see what DC will have.

For your height and weight, if you were strictly riding park i reckon you'd be fine on a 47. If you're also planning to ride groomers, i'd go a 54.

[Paul Oberin]

Originally posted by DTizL:


I was going to get one myself, but decided to hold off until next year to see what DC will have.

DC are part of Quiksilver now as are Rossignol, Dynastar and Lange, so they do have the expertise to make a decent board, but will it be just a Rossignol or Dynastar rebadged or something new altogether.

[Caboose]

Originally posted by DTizL:
No one has suggested the Rome Artifact. A lot of park junkies ride this board so it should be decent. List looks like

Rome Mod
Ride Society
Elan Prodigy
Lib Tech Skate Banana

hope i can test some of those on the demo day

[booter]

Originally posted by Paul Oberin:
DC are part of Quiksilver now as are Rossignol, Dynastar and Lange, so they do have the expertise to make a decent board, but will it be just a Rossignol or Dynastar rebadged or something new altogether. Quiksilver also own MERVIN Manufacturing which makes Lib Tech and GNU boards (not sure if they actually own the brands). Roxy boards are made by Mervin so they are actually really good. (but its roxy :( ) There are Quiksilver branded Snowboards avaliable in Europe which would probably be rossignol made. However Rossignol is for sale again. I was also told that quiksilver owned Hammer snowboards for a period but sold it recently.

I heard that Salomon in Adidas backed, Nike owns Hurley among others and Billabong bought Nixon and Von Zipper. And burton have their many labels as well ANON, Gravis etc.

oh its an incestuous industry ;)

makes it funny when you see a guy like Travis Rice, who is sponsored by DC, Lib Tech and Quiksilver ;)

If DC source their boards from Mervin (as would make sense) it would be awesome, Mervin boards are brilliant.

[SCD1]

try the skate banana board on demo at Hotham this year. Contact us at hotham to book your demo if you wish. Mervin make great boards.

[Caboose]

how much to demo a board SCD1??


FREE demos at Hotham this year just saw this in another thread that you posted

are their specific dates for the free demos???

[ 04.06.2008, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: Caboose ]

[Fresheez]

This one would be alright Cabby!!!

http://www.salomonsnowboard.com/us/products/SCOUT-1-788757.html

[Paul Oberin]

Originally posted by booter:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Paul Oberin:
DC are part of Quiksilver now as are Rossignol, Dynastar and Lange, so they do have the expertise to make a decent board, but will it be just a Rossignol or Dynastar rebadged or something new altogether. Quiksilver also own MERVIN Manufacturing which makes Lib Tech and GNU boards (not sure if they actually own the brands). Roxy boards are made by Mervin so they are actually really good. (but its roxy :( ) There are Quiksilver branded Snowboards avaliable in Europe which would probably be rossignol made. However Rossignol is for sale again. I was also told that quiksilver owned Hammer snowboards for a period but sold it recently.

I heard that Salomon in Adidas backed, Nike owns Hurley among others and Billabong bought Nixon and Von Zipper. And burton have their many labels as well ANON, Gravis etc.

oh its an incestuous industry ;)

makes it funny when you see a guy like Travis Rice, who is sponsored by DC, Lib Tech and Quiksilver ;)

If DC source their boards from Mervin (as would make sense) it would be awesome, Mervin boards are brilliant. </font>[/QUOTE]Salomon are now owned by Amer, along with Atomic and Wilson tennis and golf.
I have heard that Quiksilver do want to bail out of selling snowsports hardware, it is not profitable enough for them, any retailer could have told them that if they had asked.

[Paul Oberin]

Manufacturing a brand of board doesn't mean they own the brand as you mentioned already, Elan make boards for so many companies as well as for them selves, my Option boards turned up yesterday and on one of the boxes from the factory was the senders address which was Elan.
Last I heard Burton get a lot of their boards made by other companies, and I know Nitro certainly do.

[shady]

Originally posted by DTizL:

For your height and weight, if you were strictly riding park i reckon you'd be fine on a 47. If you're also planning to ride groomers, i'd go a 54. where did you pull those numbers from? i hope no one actually listens to this advice.

[kort]

85kg and riding a 147? Caboose is going to bl00dy sink! On a rail, he might snap the damn thing in half...

I am 69kg and ride a 157 - 161!

Something I found a few days ago - I have no idea how reliable it is....
http://www.snowboardlengthcalculator.com/

[booter]

weight makes very little difference when choosing a snowboard. weight is very important when dialing in bindings on skis. but snowboard bindings dont release and hence weight means nothing to a snowboarder. foot size, length and riding style is what you need to consider.

get a board thats wide enough for your foot size, there nothing thats worse than dragging your toes or heels. if you dont get this right you have wasted your money, a little overhang is okay but for those with size 11 or more you should be riding a board thats about 255mm wide, but better to be 260mm or more. most brands have "wide boards"

choose a board that roughly comes up to your mouth/chin. then from that size consider what style you want to ride.
powder = a bit longer board
park = a bit shorter board
rails/jib = a lot shorter board
freeride/all mountain (most people) = stay with first measurement.

shady your advice is not right, DTizl's suggestion is fine, for a 154 for caboose, a 147 might have issues when landing big jumps for someone 5"6 and 85kg but for rails it would be easier.

kort its snow, its frozen, hehe, your not gunna sink into it ;) and a shorter board would be stronger on rails than a longer board, longer board creates more leverage, eg, if you tried to snap two pieces of wood of same thickness, once is 5 cm long and the other 50cm long, the 50cm long one will break much easier.

[shady]

booter you are completely clueless my friend!

weight has everything to do with board size. the board needs to support your WEIGHT. weight is much more of a consideration than height. if you disagree you dont know what you are talking about.

are you a skier? have you ever gone riding in powder?

and no his advice was not right. 85kg on a 147 is a complete and utter joke!

caboose please dont listen to any of this crap. the very smallest you should go is a 154.

[Caboose]

Originally posted by shady:
caboose please dont listen to any of this crap. the very smallest you should go is a 154. shortest i will go would be 152

i doubt i will ever hit rails

just want to try a pure short jib board

an instructor i had last season was heavier and taller than i was and was riding a 151

he nailed ever bump, was very smooth rider

[Caboose]

Originally posted by booter:
weight makes very little difference when choosing a snowboard. i'll disagree to this

you ride anything wet and fresh in Oz an you will want a longer board for weight

even on a 155 i have come to a complete stop

[ 10.06.2008, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Caboose ]

[booter]

its about choosing the right board for what you intend to ride, read the posts better shady. DTzil suggested the 147 for park and rails, 154 for freeride. personally id recommend a 150 for him to play in the park. Go on shady then, explain why a board needs to support your weight? give us a reason?? im happy to debate with you but dont just rant, there are factors where weight makes a consideration, but there are far more important factors to choosing a snowboard.

choosing a board by weight is a carry over from skiing, skiiers need to know their weight so you can tune their bindings so they release properly otherwise they will lose their skis or pop their knees. snowboard bindings dont release!! even for skiing other factors are more important than weight when choosing length of ski. caboose is 85kg and 5'6, he aint a sumo. height, ability and terrain is more important in determining what length of board or ski you should get.

to start with height is the best guide though as it gives you a better idea for the dynamics of rider on board. look at a persons stance, smaller person smaller stance width, larger rider larger stance width. the smaller your stance width the harder it is to swing a board around (turning), wider makes it easier. the length the board that goes past your feet makes alot of difference to how easy or hard it is to turn your board. thats why most pros ride much shorter jib boards than their free ride boards. after that you factor in ability, terrain, personal preference and yeah if the person is really heavy for their height maybe a little longer, but 85kg and 5"6.... cmon.

if cabooses feet fit the width of a 147 he cold use it as a very fun jib board, less length of board will make it far easier, will perform more like a skateboard which is what you want. like i said a 147 for his weight may have problems with landing big jumps, the shorter board would bog down more on the landings. it would also not be much good for free riding. choose the right board for what you plan to ride. as caboose has now said he wouldnt ride rails then hed go for a longer board, 52, 54, 56 lengths would all be fine, just consider what riding your gunna do caboose.

[ 10.06.2008, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: booter ]

[booter]

at the end of the day there will be different opinions, caboose go to a demo day and ride a couple of boards, you said youve got a 155, well take out a 150/52 and then a 159/61 and see what you prefer for how you ride,

its really the only way your gunna know. good luck.

[Caboose]

i used to ride a 155, i ride a 159 now


the smaller your stance width the harder it is to swing a board around (turning), wider makes it easieri'm not so sure about your reasoning on this

as an alpine rider would have a very tight stance on a longer thinner board for extremely quick carving

[Donza]

Originally posted by Caboose:
i used to ride a 155, i ride a 159 now

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />the smaller your stance width the harder it is to swing a board around (turning), wider makes it easieri'm not so sure about your reasoning on this

as an alpine rider would have a very tight stance on a longer thinner board for extremely quick carving </font>[/QUOTE]He is sort of right in a way. A wider stance makes it heaps easier to swing the board around during spins and also its much easier to ride (intiate turns) the sidecut during turns. It positions the feet in a better place realitive to the sidecut of the board
Though for those railing carvers a 16 inch stance with 40 degree angles is the bomb.
I think people get a bit confused about the whole weight vs size issue (ie saying it will snap on a rail). Its possible to have a 150 with exactly the same core properties and internal makeup as a 156.
Look at something like the Nitro MFM 152. Its a downsized board in terms of length but is just as beefy as its larger brothers.

[Caboose]

ok i thought he was talking about riding, not tricks

[Donza]

Originally posted by Caboose:
ok i thought he was talking about riding, not tricks It sort of does...back in the old days of riding when people first learnt to carve -Think Craig Kelly stances were narrower and angles severe. Those guys had the best styles when it came to carving though their spins looked a bit wack.
Now fast forward early 90's to someone like Jamie Lynn. He had a much wider stance and took his freestyle approach to the backcountry. He basically developed a completely diffirent technique to turning- his wider stance made it easier for him to put the board on edge to use the sidecut. Whereas Craig kellys stance put more pressure in the centre of the board increasing the rate of turn without as much sidecut influence.
Now fast forward to nowadays and virtually every instructor I see has a very much sidecut orientated turning style. Ie they just put the board on edge and let it do the work. This method is heaps easier with a wider stance.

[shady]

DTzil suggested the 147 for park and rails, 154 for freeride.you realise park also means tables, spines, hips? i'll say it again, 85kg on a 147 is stupidity. maybe you are playing around on 10ft kickers and wide flat boxes, but for any decent rider going into a 30+ foot table, you need more board for stability on both takeoff and landing.

85kg on a 154 for freeriding, again i will disagree. freeriding means charging all over the mountain, RIDING POWDER. he would sink on a 154.


Go on shady then, explain why a board needs to support your weight? give us a reason??weight determines downward force through the board. downward force determines flex. flex determines how the board will ride.

again i ask, have you ever snowboarded on fresh powder? you need greater surface area to provide float. you need the board to support your weight otherwise you will sink!! ask anyone here who had ridden in japan or canada or anywhere overseas for that matter who weighs 85kg, could you easily ride a 154 in deep powder? you would need a bigger board TO SUPPORT YOUR WEIGHT.


choosing a board by weight is a carry over from skiing, skiiers need to know their weight so you can tune their bindings so they release properly otherwise they will lose their skis or pop their knees. snowboard bindings dont release!!so what? this isnt skiing and it is irrelivant to bring it up. why do you think snowboard companies provide suggested weight ranges for particular board sizes??? yet they dont privide suggested heights??? its becuase it is an important factor in choosing a board size! are you trying to tell me that all those companies don't know what are they are talking about???


if cabooses feet fit the width of a 147 he cold use it as a very fun jib board, less length of board will make it far easier, will perform more like a skateboard which is what you want.send him off a 20+ foot park jump and see how he goes....


like i said a 147 for his weight may have problems with landing big jumps, the shorter board would bog down more on the landings.so why agree with the suggestion? park involves more than spinning onto boxes.


as caboose has now said he wouldnt ride rails then hed go for a longer board, 52, 54, 56 lengths would all be fine, just consider what riding your gunna do caboose.and now you agree with what i said. surprise. even if he was riding rails, that suggestion is pefectly valid. if someone needs to downsize their park board by 7cm just to ride rails, they need to seriously improve their skills and not worry so much about the board.


anything else?

[Caboose]

the point of the smaller board is to have something softer in flex for noodles, butters & little jumps - something fun to muck around on

my 159 i have now is pretty flexy, but i still seem to have trouble flexying it enough to do nose presses etc

i am hoping with a smaller board with a softer flex i can improve my noodles ;)

i'm also looking to muck around with a wider stance

my boards have all been tight/stiff directional all mountain boards.

[ 10.06.2008, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: Caboose ]

[snowman]

widen the stance and go smaller , i ride two boards 158 for general around mountain and 156 dominant in the park love it , im 180cm tall and 94kg its a awesome board

[Caboose]

do you reckon 2cm does all that much difference snowman

[Donza]

Yeah true that. I still think people ride way too overcooked (eg long and stiff) in Australia.
I have so much more fun on shorter boards...I mean how often do we get powder?
All of the crew I ride with ride boards from 150 -153.

[snowman]

i notice the difference in the park tried the 154 bit short for my weight and i still got to ride to the park etc...

[John Deere]

Originally posted by Caboose:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by booter:
weight makes very little difference when choosing a snowboard. i'll disagree to this

you ride anything wet and fresh in Oz an you will want a longer board for weight

even on a 155 i have come to a complete stop </font>[/QUOTE]Try pointing it downhill ;)

*Queue photo of SA's* graemlins/big_laugh.gif

[SA]

You rang?

http://www.kerky.com/albums/Snowbird-07/RIMG0006.sized.jpg

http://www.kerky.com/albums/Snowbird-07/RIMG0008.sized.jpg

http://www.kerky.com/albums/Snowbird-07/RIMG0194.sized.jpg

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[booter]

i said jib board shady, theres a difference between a jib board and a park board. jib boards arent made for jumps or park really. I said 147 would be fine for jib and said hed want longer if he wanted to jump (park riding). your making points against things i didnt say!!?? you say i agree with you when i said a 52,54,56, but you repeatedly said that 54 was far too short. i dont understand your logic? do you?


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weight determines downward force through the board. downward force determines flex. flex determines how the board will ride.
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boards come with a huge variety of flex patterns and stiffness ratings, all of which behave differently, your weight determines how much flex you will get from your board depending on its construction. SHAPE, MATERIALS and FLEX determine how a board will ride.

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again i ask, have you ever snowboarded on fresh powder? you need greater surface area to provide float. you need the board to support your weight otherwise you will sink!! ask anyone here who had ridden in japan or canada or anywhere overseas for that matter who weighs 85kg, could you easily ride a 154 in deep powder? you would need a bigger board TO SUPPORT YOUR WEIGHT.
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fine, yes i have boarded all over canada, NZ, france, italy and australia. yes i have had many powder days, and cause your asking your question i will answer it, i am 87kg (just weighed myself) and 5"9 and in january i spent 10 days in chamonix riding a 156 (fun board i bought for aus conditions). had plenty of fun off piste in the powder, with some good falls on some days , 20-30cm. didnt bog down once, but i know how to ride pow. thought i would, but i definately did NOT need a bigger board. took a normal board (as opposed to powder board) as i wanted to play in the park as well, was a good decision in the end.

but anyhows read my posts, i said you need a bigger than normal board for powder, your right greater surface area does provide better float, thank you for qualifying what i said from the start. and freeriding does not mean RIDING POWDER, it means riding everything which does include powder, but lets face it, most of the time that means groomers and hard pack, unless caboose is going to spend all his time in japan he is unlikely to be riding much of your "deep powder". why would you suggest he rides a board that is suited to something he is unlikely to be doing (riding deep pow). and he has not once said he wants to ride "deep powder". and lets qualify your deep powder term cause deep powder would have to be what, 30/40cm or more? anything less would be just normal snowfall (well not in oz i spose). how often is he gunna ride that?

did some googleling for "what length board should i ride". funny, half the sites say use your height and riding style, the others say use manufactuers recommended weight guides. so i did, one from backcountry.com (major US retailer - gets their stats from manufacturers) it said i should be riding a 165 (for freestyle ???) and if i wanted to free ride a 168, and for deep pow a 172. i double checked this with a burton one (that first appeared in 2003) and it said the same just down 1-2cm. for caboose it said he should be riding a 166 length board (all mountain). how about it caboose, sound like the kind of board you wanna ride??

we all get it shady, bigger board for powder, everybody knows this, but your telling this guy to buy a board that will suit "deep powder" when he obviously doesnt want that. good advice mate.

[ 11.06.2008, 01:22 AM: Message edited by: booter ]

[booter]

Originally posted by Caboose:
i used to ride a 155, i ride a 159 now

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />the smaller your stance width the harder it is to swing a board around (turning), wider makes it easieri'm not so sure about your reasoning on this

as an alpine rider would have a very tight stance on a longer thinner board for extremely quick carving </font>[/QUOTE]put your board on the carpet and try it, you will feel how it feels different, carving is a bit different to turning as awkward as that sounds ;) you have more control with a wider stance which is why freestylers use it, and a closer stance is better for carving with speed.

[booter]

Originally posted by Caboose:
the point of the smaller board is to have something softer in flex for noodles, butters & little jumps - something fun to muck around on

my 159 i have now is pretty flexy, but i still seem to have trouble flexying it enough to do nose presses etc

i am hoping with a smaller board with a softer flex i can improve my noodles ;)

i'm also looking to muck around with a wider stance

my boards have all been tight/stiff directional all mountain boards. have a look at burton.com (and most brands) and that will rate the boards stiffness which gives you an easy way to get an idea for which board your looking for.

from personal experience id suggest you look at a lib tech skate banana. i have one (156) and have ridden it in all terrain, park and rails and it works for me and im bigger and heavier than you. its different, as it has rocker (opposed to standard boards camber), it will make nose presses much easier hehe. it also has magne traction edges (wavy) which make it turn faster. a really good board for what your after have a look on their website. also the burton dominants are another board that would suit what your after, well lots of burtons really. not sure about other brands.

the only sure way to know is to try for yourself ;) hire, demo or buy a board and see if you like it. everyone will have different advice for you, but experience is the best advice you will get.

[Fresheez]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n29/Fresheez/IMG_0549-2-1.jpg

[NissTrust]

hi there guys i'm a fellow boarder, what do you think of the lib-Tech MC Kink? They refer to it as being good for powder but yet great as a jib board as well???
http://www.lib-tech.com/snowboards/mc.html

[shady]

it also has magne traction edges (wavy) which make it turn faster. wrong again! it does not make you turn faster. it gives additional edge hold. please explain how magnetraction makes you turn faster (cant wait to hear this explanation..)

dont have time now to reply to everything else you said, but i will when i get back on the computer.

[eckstar]

So Cabby , did you get a chance to try some jib boards ? or the conditions not warrant it ?

[Caboose]

no

only burton on display

nothing there i wanted to try

[snowman]

Cab should of given the twin or dominant a go.both awesome boards

[Caboose]

i couldn't do it ..... i just couldn't graemlins/cold.gif ;)

[Caboose]

here it is the flexy jib setup for 08

i have gone with a Rome Mod 154 with Rome 390 Bindings

http://www.kerky.com/albums/Second-Hand-Stuff/DSC00658.sized.jpg

[Caboose]

just now need to get these puppies implanted

http://www.kerky.com/albums/Second-Hand-Stuff/DSC00659.jpg

[chris y]

Bwahahahha, this time round we are in the big park cabby ;) you have got a flash setup there old mate so time to hit the 30ft + jumps . graemlins/boarder.gif

[karen97]

You first Chris graemlins/cold.gif

[chris y]

Bring out your board Kaz and we can all go play
(read crash & burn) together it will be great !!! :D

[Donza]

Originally posted by Caboose:
here it is the flexy jib setup for 08

i have gone with a Rome Mod 154 with Rome 390 Bindings

http://www.kerky.com/albums/Second-Hand-Stuff/DSC00658.sized.jpg Thats a sick setup--i'll keep an eye out for it this weekend.

[Caboose]

where ya riding donza?

will be at PB ......

[ 16.07.2008, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: Caboose ]

[Caboose]

btw

don't look for me to be doing anything special on this board ........ yet ;)

[eckstar]

Nice binding choice , the 390's are the shiz

[eckstar]

Cabby , where did you get the 390's from , got another snowatcher interested in buying some of those

[Donza]

Originally posted by Caboose:
where ya riding donza?

will be at PB ...... Yeah i'll be at PB sunday. Whereabouts...wind dependant. Though I will be doing a few love runs.


Not sure how much i'm going to get my jib on...they will fresh in them hills.