Ski advice?

[hackett007]

I've posted numerous times about ski advice but I don't get a finaly answer. But anyway I thought I'll give it ago again. I am 185cm tall, 75kg heavy and advanced skier which is semi aggresive and about 10% park, 40% off trial and 40% groomed so I'm guessing all mountain ski, but I wouldn't mind twin tips for when I pull out the tricks ;) , I ski in australia every year and ski os every 2 or 3 years, but at the end of the year I will be in Jackson Hole for the season. At the moment I'm thinking K2 pe, Rossi scratch or sprayer, volkl (don't know any specific) same with head. I have heard great reviews from the PE but I wanna see what you guys think. Price wise, nothing really over 1000, but if it's need I will, but I quite like the price tag of the PE, but the saying is you get what you pay for. Thanks for any advice.

[ 18.01.2008, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: hackett007 ]

[Tobi]

Actually you've posted twice about this topic. Once in July 2006 and then once again in June 2007 but each time you ask about different types of skis.

http://www.snowatch.com.au/forum/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000339#000000

http://www.snowatch.com.au/forum/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000166#000006

I don't ski so I've got no idea but from what I see there you've mentioned at least two twin tips both of which from what I know are very good skis.

But if you're looking for an all mountain ski I'd personally buy an all mountain ski.

[Silence]

You should have bought my AR5's :D

07 Volkl Karmas would have been great for what you want - PE would too but it's on the heavier side.

Check the Head Mojo 80, Elan MO2, 4frnt MSP or TNK something on the stiffer side

[Taxman]

If you ride switch, then you will need a twin tip. To Silence's list Add Volkl Bridge and Stockli Snake Coral.

If you don't need a twin tip maybe Volkl AC3/AC30, Stockli Stormrider XL.

[ 18.01.2008, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: Taxman ]

[The Frog]

Does your $1000 including bindings?

[Taxman]

$1,000 limit? Cross my suggestions off the list (unless you can get previous year's skis or second hand).

[Taxman]

Just noticed, you've put on 5kg since last June. BTW, the AC3 is still available and within your budget (need to make room for a race ski and light weight AT ski). Ask Yeti about his AC30, he loves it. The AC3 is more or less the same ski.

[hackett007]

yes frog if possible, and ahhaha about tax with th5 5kg

[Paul Oberin]

Just get the Public Enemy, a great all round ski that will do all that you are saying you want it for, or you could wait a few more months and get the new K2 Extreme, same ski different name and graphics, either would come in under $1000 with bindings.

[Silence]

I'm sure the extreme will take off

[hackett007]

Just reading up on reviews about the PE, are they mainly a park ski?

[hackett007]

and that there quite stiff and heavy.

[Silence]

60/40 park/mountain.

They are definitely on the mountain side of a park ski

[hackett007]

do you have any K2 Public Enemys around paul?

[The Frog]

Paul is OS skiing and won't be back for a while.

[hackett007]

bummer

[joshwa]

PE's are more of an all mountain ski than a park ski.i was after a very similar ski to you and ended up getting PE's and i love mine.i have no trouble getting them to do any sort of turn in any terrain except ice, although it does take a fair bit of effort to get them to do short turns.but that is because i am 168cm and my PE's are 174cm.
they are pretty good in the park but are a little to heavy to do big rotations.
but i would say demo a pair first and see what you think.but if that isnt an option then get them as they are almost ideal for what you are after in a ski.

[ 22.01.2008, 05:22 AM: Message edited by: joshwa ]

[hackett007]

Im guessing that even tho there heavier, the will effect rotation but I'm sure it wouldnt be significant (im guessing) and you said they dont hold up well in ice?

[Silence]

Originally posted by joshwa:

they are pretty good in the park but are a little to heavy to do big rotations.
PH Hunder throws Fakie 10's with them without much of an issue!

[Silence]

Originally posted by hackett007:
Im guessing that even tho there heavier, the will effect rotation but I'm sure it wouldnt be significant (im guessing) and you said they dont hold up well in ice? You won't be able to tell the difference..unless you are hitting really small jumps and having to huck your spins..
Not many skis hold up well on ice unless they are super stiff
As already mentioned, the PE's are on the stiffer side of park skis

[hackett007]

ok sweet, thanks for your help everyone.

[hackett007]

bit of a noob question, what is better, a super stiff or flexible ski and I'm guessing a lighter ski is obviously better than a heavy ski.

[Rednut]

depends on what you want it to do...

over simplified version, stiff = good for carving etc and soft is good for jumps and park stuff

[hackett007]

pretty much just carving, tad bit of jumps and just pow (if i can find any)

[Silence]

go stiffer then. PE stiffness is still fine - how wide do you want to go?

[hackett007]

I know nothing about skis, I dont know what it means if its wider, or how big underfoot. explain. lol sorry.

[joshwa]

Originally posted by Silence:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by joshwa:

they are pretty good in the park but are a little to heavy to do big rotations.
PH Hunder throws Fakie 10's with them without much of an issue! </font>[/QUOTE]i know you can pull big spins on them but im speaking comparitevly(spelling?).
all i was trying to say was there are better park skis out there with better swing weights than the PE but hackett doesnt want a dedicated park ski so id say the PE's are perfect.


and hackett, they dont hold very well on ice but then again no ski with a waist width and sidecut similar to the PE will.but by the sounds of it you wont be skiing in ice much anyway.

[ 23.01.2008, 05:12 AM: Message edited by: joshwa ]

[Silence]

^ for sure.

[TB]

Ive got a PE 2006 version. If you can ski, so can they. A little heavy, a bit stiff but it's a K2. If you get used to and god forbid even like the way they ski you are on the cheap ski forever elevator cause to date all k'2s have a bit of that in common.

You will love powder and crud, think groomed is fine but hard on the legs and be reminded that bumps ****. Can't help with the park because why would you want to???

Seriously maybe Ive become a knoob but aren't you talking about a long season in these?? If yes, ski have fun and then use them as a rockhopper/boat anchor. How many days do you expect/want??

[bj]

Don't have them myself, but my mate does and i've tried them a few times.

As everyone else has said, they are a great all round twin and cheap for what you get. They're suited for long turns, or none at all!!

The PE's base and edge are really tough. They eat up rocks like they're champagne powder. PE's are so tough, when rocks see them coming they get out of their way. ;)

But this does make the ski pretty slow on cat tracks, but as long as you wax them regularly you'll be right.

[Silence]

I had the 05's and thought they were an excellent all round ski.

I used them for prob. 50/50 park/all mtn (Australia) and found them to be a literally bombproof ski - realllly durable, fairly stiff for a twin and suited for someone over 70kg (I had the 179 length mounted @ +3cm from recommended) I think thats 5 back from true centre

They ski long, as K2 measure running length, most companies will measure tip to tail. So they skied more like a 183 and i'm only about 175 which is why they probably felt heavy and I could definitely feel the added swingweight in the air.

The 05 model was 80 underfoot, whereas the current ones are 85, so slightly wider. Either way if you want a ski which will plow through the 2pm slush and will take the park and even some pow then they are a great option.

They are definitely on the stiffer side though compared to MOST other twins out there..
About a 20m radius? maybe longer, so don't plan on any slalom any time soon..

Awesome skis - seriously I can't say enough for their durability - 911 proof.

[hackett007]

Silence, thanks mate, you have been a great help. Cheers

[Silence]

no worries at all man.. ps. you can still buy my AR5's - lighter and softer. tongue.gif

[Silence]

PE sounds pretty good for you though..

[hackett007]

I Think ur AR5'S are a bit to long

[Silence]

I would think they'd be ok? 176 length, and the recommended armada mounting point is further forward than many other skis out there - i think they are about -5 from true centre, recommended on the PE is either -7 or -9

What length PE were you looking at? 174 or 169?

[Rednut]

For an aggressive advanced skier at 185 and 75kg i wouldn't have thought 176 was too much of a ski.

My all mountain skis are 164, i'm 172 and 100, but my bc skis are 178...

[Taxman]

Nutter, you are skiing short. I'm 85kg/195cm. My Stockli Stormrider XLs are 174cm, XXL's 178cm and Legend 8800 188cm.

I'd ski not less that head high less 10cm.

[ 25.01.2008, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: Taxman ]

[Rednut]

remember i'm short ;)