zimbabwe

[HelsSA]

What can we do? All the people are starving due to a horrible man.

[TC]

nothing
its up to the other african countries

[HelsSA]

I don't understand why someone just dosen't take him out.

[The Frog]

he doesn't have any oil wells, that's why.

[ausi ski bum]

Its about time that someone did, trouble is you need to take out the senior police and military as well plus all the judges appointed by him

[Vet]

or offer them immunity and shares in to-be-privatised State Enterprises in exchange for a quiet transition to democracy.

[Jahoota]

Originally posted by The Frog:
he doesn't have any oil wells, that's why. Sadly monsieur Frog, I do believe your correct.

:( :( :mad: :mad: :( :(

[HelsSA]

He lost the last election. Had a tantrum and held the oppositions family hostage until he was reinstated. I don't understand how it can be tolerated. So many people dying all because of one man.

[D-Dog]

TC is right, it is up to the african countries in that region to decide that they need to act, they are afraid to do anything because interfering in the internal afairs of another country leaves you open to have the same thing done to you and as there is so much corruption in most of the sub saharan countries the leaders are afraid to act.

having said that i think this situation has gone way to far the nations surrounding zimbabwae must band together and get rid of Mugabe in order to avoid an even bigger humanitarian crisis than that which is already occuring.

[SnoWhite]

Why is it up to the African countries? Whilst it's a serious issue interferring with the affairs of another country, someone needs to do something! It's an even more serious issue that people are dying in their thousands.

[popshuvit]

Their inflation is out of this world.
Last week, they issued a something like Z$ 250 billion note, which was said to be worth around A$18..

[Bear]

If it was worth A$18 last week it will be worth less than A$1 now. :(

[D-Dog]

prices are now doubling more than 300 times a week

[chunky]

It is a very sad state of affairs. They were a very wealthy nation and they are now spiralling out of control. They dictator is 82 - hopefully he dies and some semblance of improving the well being of their people and country comes from it.

[The Frog]

Just shows how much of a toothless tiger the UN really is.

[TC]

Originally posted by SnoWhite:
Why is it up to the African countries? Whilst it's a serious issue interferring with the affairs of another country, someone needs to do something! It's an even more serious issue that people are dying in their thousands. so you supported the iraq war and our effort to oust saddam hussein?????

[Podlettte]

Did you disagree with stopping hitler's genocide TC?

I don't believe a comparison between zimbabwe and Iraq is an equal one. Mugabe has been in charge while horrific human atrocities have occurred and been responsible for the majority from what SBS stories are reporting.

that alone should be reason enough to offer assistance to help the African nations to stop him.

[SnoWhite]

Originally posted by TC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SnoWhite:
Why is it up to the African countries? Whilst it's a serious issue interferring with the affairs of another country, someone needs to do something! It's an even more serious issue that people are dying in their thousands. so you supported the iraq war and our effort to oust saddam hussein????? </font>[/QUOTE]To be completely honest TC, I've been sitting on the fence and jumping from one side to the other the whole time. Whilst I don't agree with the whole concept of war and the way it was done, etc., people's basic human rights were being trampled on, and in my mind that's wrong. Sitting back doing nothing is in some measure condoning it. I suppose the big questions are at what point is it OK for someone jump in and say enough, what level of force is acceptable to stop them doing the wrong thing and who is going to be the one to do it?

[Bear]

Apparently Mugabe is now trying to blame the Cholera outbreak there in Britian. :confused:

The guy has only one song and it's time it was silenced.

[TC]

Podlette
We didnt go to war against hitler to stop his genocide.
Just as we didnt go to war to stop pol pot
I remember the world condemning the vietamese for invading cambodia.
Depite the bull sprouted by bush we didnt invade iraq to save the horribly oppressed people.

Should we invade north korea??

[TC]

Originally posted by The Frog:
Just shows how much of a toothless tiger the UN really is. The UN is only as strong as the sum of its member nations

[popshuvit]

I am sure the US has the ability 2 send in an undercover op & wipe the man off the face of the planet.

[D-Dog]

yeah, that would be the easiest option, however who knows who would take control if he suddenly died, most probably the army.

[SnowFlake]

What about the International Court of Justice in the Hague?

[popshuvit]

You would have to arrest the man first snowflake.
I doubt they would let anyone into Zimbabwe who has the attention to arrest their leader.

[Bear]

Intention maybe? ;)

[popshuvit]

Thanks Mr Grammer tongue.gif

[ 23.12.2008, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: popshuvit ]

[HelsSA]

We don't need a big war. Just send in mercennary and take him out. War is for show when we all know that around the world we have crack assasins and mercanaries who are available at a price.

[Podlettte]

Originally posted by TC:
Podlette
We didnt go to war against hitler to stop his genocide.
Just as we didnt go to war to stop pol pot
I remember the world condemning the vietamese for invading cambodia.
Depite the bull sprouted by bush we didnt invade iraq to save the horribly oppressed people.

Should we invade north korea?? true hitler was invading other countries, the rest was a by product so to speak, discovered at a later date than declaration of war by the western world.

iraq wasn't about the people either, neither was Vietnam, no war has been about the people's oppression, they have been about oppressive dictators though. So although it's not direct, there's been indirect benefits. However I don't think any war has done significant amounts for any country.

Bring in a mercenary or sniper for mugabe, it's a different situation. there's no oil, there's no invasion of other countries, just genocide, a country rife with contagious diseases and people dying everywhere... hmmm why should we stand back and watch that happen?

Would you stand back and watch someone die on the street? why are we so hung up on borders and boundaries to dictate when we do and don't do something to help?

I'm not suggesting charging in gung ho Yank fashion, but something needs to be done. the world is standing back fully aware of what is happening and that other african nations are either too poor to do anything, or just as corrupt so won't!

[Bear]

Originally posted by popshuvit:
Thanks Mr Grammer tongue.gif Dr Vocabulary actually. graemlins/outtahere.gif

[SnowFlake]

Interestingly some nations/ groups have put a travel ban on the elite of that country and frozen their overseas assets. While this does work against the idea of arresting these crims,it also denies them top level medical treatment should that ever be needed - heaven forbid!

[chunky]

I can sort of see where you are coming from about the African countries doing nothing. They are his neighbours and are too scared so he says to do anything. Yes while the UN are a toothless tiger there is very little critiscm of his leadership closer to home. Sadly quite a few African national leaders are in it more for themselves then for helping their own people.