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kort
15-08-2009, 01:01 AM
I see this has fallen off the radar.......are we all still in the habit?!

platinumbunny
15-08-2009, 09:33 AM
I am. I lost 3kg this week and am feeling fabulous.

TVC
15-08-2009, 10:20 AM
Still going.

Had a flu for a week, but toughing it out

Aiming for Fitzroy Falls Bush Maraton on 11/10

Gonna do a Beep Test next week. Will let you know how that goes.

Xena
15-08-2009, 01:36 PM
Hahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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:laughsatownefforttogetfitsofar:

kort
15-08-2009, 03:41 PM
14km run for me tomorrow at 5:15 pace - should be interesting.

kort
15-08-2009, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by platinumbunny:
I am. I lost 3kg this week and am feeling fabulous. noice work! smile.gif
keep up the routine!

Podlettte
15-08-2009, 03:45 PM
I did start, then got sick for a few weeks and am about to get back into it this week.

John Deere
15-08-2009, 09:38 PM
I've been still going sargeant Kort....been skiing every 2nd weekend and riding every other, plus at least 3 days at the gym during the week.

Officer Schmenz
15-08-2009, 11:09 PM
i finally started this week!

Legolas
16-08-2009, 12:03 AM
WTF Platinumbunny? did you eat? or did you only have time to induce vomit?

3kg in one week?!!! you are either really really fat and had a packet to lose, or you've dropped it WAY too fast!

but if you feel great and can keep it off good on you!

my prob is I lose it, I feel great, I celebrate/reward myself, then I pork out again :(

kort
16-08-2009, 12:23 AM
Legs - perhaps try reward yourself with smaller portions of whatever you are rewarding yourself with?

I don't see anything wrong with getting rewards as long as you are honest with yourself and sticking with your fitness routine. If you are working out enough those "rewards" are going to get burnt up pretty easily.

Podlettte
16-08-2009, 12:28 AM
oh kort, that's no fun!

kort
16-08-2009, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by John Deere:
I've been still going sargeant Kort....been skiing every 2nd weekend and riding every other, plus at least 3 days at the gym during the week. JD - you are fast becoming a machine if not already! smile.gif

When I was injured and couldn't run for a few weeks, I did a couple of spinning classes. I was looking in the mirror of one of the classes and noticed my arms were not as "toned" as I wanted them - it was enough for me to make a more committed effort doing weights...

After seeing the pics from the City2Surf I am happier with the state of my arms smile.gif
I think the photographer got me at just the right moment - really pumping those arms in the final sprint to the finish..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii304/cleeshoy/FFDL0392.jpg

I assure you they don't look like that when I typing away on my keyboard at work smile.gif

platinumbunny
16-08-2009, 09:58 AM
Nice guns, kort!!

Legs - I am two weeks off anti anxiety meds (yay)and whilst not obese, I am heftier than I should be and the weight that I will lose over the next 3 weeks will be water weight from holding water as a result of the meds. That being said: I walk an hour every morning, I box 2 x 1.5 hour sessions per week and I teach 10 hours of pole dancing per week and also practice min 30min of yoga per day (this practice has allowed me to beat the anxiety) so I do a lot of exercise and I am eating super healthy meals.

Today I am meeting up with some girlfriends and we are going to cycle from North Gong to Austinmer, return. So if you're on the cycleway and you see a blonde and a brunette on baby blue bikes - say g'day!

kort
16-08-2009, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Podlettte:
oh kort, that's no fun! I know! I am such a wet blanket aren't I? smile.gif
I must be a bland eater because I dont really like sweets...

SnowSnow
16-08-2009, 01:09 PM
I've lost 2kg this week as well!

Legolas
16-08-2009, 01:28 PM
120 smiggins guests have probably kick started their weight loss program today too graemlins/outtahere.gif

Xena
16-08-2009, 01:34 PM
huh?

Xena
16-08-2009, 01:35 PM
Oh, just saw the other thread - go it now.

ozgirl
16-08-2009, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Xena:
Hahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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:laughsatownefforttogetfitsofar: Laughing with you Xena.

And also laughing harder at myself - but my goal was to not hurt when I went skiing 7 day striaght. I didn't hurt (but i took a mid week break)

I tell you the arms and legs were burning after the flare run - but the Kabab made me feel so much better.

I have to agree with Kort (shock horror) I agree that if you must 'cheat' then eat small amounts.

The book 'French women don't get fat' claims that is her reason for success. I also used to have a blow out meal once a week. I either had fish and chips for lunch every Friday. Or went out on a Sunday for a fry up. That was when I was getting rid of my excess kg's after living in the US.

John Deere
16-08-2009, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by kort:
When I was injured and couldn't run for a few weeks, I did a couple of spinning classes. I was looking in the mirror of one of the classes and noticed my arms were not as "toned" as I wanted them - it was enough for me to make a more committed effort doing weights...

After seeing the pics from the City2Surf I am happier with the state of my arms smile.gif
I think the photographer got me at just the right moment - really pumping those arms in the final sprint to the finish..

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii304/cleeshoy/FFDL0392.jpg

I assure you they don't look like that when I typing away on my keyboard at work smile.gif pity about the head tongue.gif

kort
16-08-2009, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by John Deere:
pity about the head tongue.gif heeheh I have no comeback smile.gif

Had my mouth open for that one and I was breathing in at the time!!

John Deere
16-08-2009, 08:58 PM
mate, luckily we are blokes.....we're supposed to have heads like robbers dogs ;)

kort
16-08-2009, 09:04 PM
Was wearing the sunnies to hide the face ;)

John Deere
16-08-2009, 09:27 PM
Good tip...I must try it!!!

May I suggest bigger sunnies!!!

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kort
16-08-2009, 10:15 PM
next time I will go the gimp mask......can I borrow yours JD?

John Deere
16-08-2009, 10:29 PM
Sure thing!!!

http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/zz280/frosty_nipple_productions/gimp.jpg

kort
16-08-2009, 10:49 PM
a pink one!!!! Noice!! Love it ;)

Officer Schmenz
16-08-2009, 11:52 PM
i just ate half a pack of tim tams!

in half an hour that will be the whole pack gone.. oops!

kort
17-08-2009, 10:44 AM
wow half a pack is a good effort - If I had 2 tim tams I reckon I would start to get headaches!

Officer Schmenz
17-08-2009, 06:00 PM
second half went from 3am -6am

all nighter :(

but 3 assignments done... now i have to buy another pack of tim tams tonight! :(

disappointed i wont make it to the gym tonight but im sooo exhausted...

so sleeeeep tonight for me! maybe ill dream of riding the bike! wonder if that works! apparently as soon as you start thinking about exercising your heart rate increases! :D :D :D

TVC
17-08-2009, 07:13 PM
20km road run last night.

Sprints tomorrow.

Beep Test later in week

kort
20-08-2009, 11:57 AM
TVC - Are the beep test results in?

Astroboy
20-08-2009, 12:24 PM
All this talk of trying to lose weight, there are those of us out there who are perfectly happy with our weight or, shock horror, actually trying to put it on!

John Deere
20-08-2009, 12:47 PM
I dont care about my weight....just wanna be fit!

kort
20-08-2009, 12:49 PM
Yup its got little to do with losing weight its more about enjoying a healthy lifestyle....if my clothes fit OK then nothing to worry about!

Astroboy
20-08-2009, 02:42 PM
Point taken, though there are a few references to weight in the thread so I think many people are keen to lose a few pounds and wrongly equate that with being healthy, when really it is a temporary state gained from starving yourself.

As for fitness and healthy lifestyle, it amazes me how many people go through extreme highs (going to the gym 10 days a week) and lows (sitting on the couch eating Tim Tams for weeks on end) and wonder why they can not maintain their fitness and control their weight.

Find something active that you enjoy doing (umm say skiing and cycling when you can not hit the slopes), eat well, do it consistently and the rest looks after itself.

Podlettte
20-08-2009, 02:58 PM
Not true astroboy, if you starve yourself your body will react by keeping weight on and actually adding to your fat stores with everything you eat rather than processing naturally

John Deere
20-08-2009, 03:04 PM
I agree with the point that if you live an active life and eat well the rest looks after itself.....but if I didn't plan and prioritise my activity (including gym, cycling, skiing and a team sport) it wouldn't happen.

Riding a bike and skiing on the weekend will not keep me fit....must do stuff during the week!

John Deere
20-08-2009, 03:05 PM
Oh, and I dont diet at all...I try and eat healthy, but I don't beat myself up over the odd Nando's burger!


mmmmmmm nando's!!!!

ozgirl
20-08-2009, 03:12 PM
I orignally started this thread and I never said anything about weight loss, it is 'get fit'.

I agree with Pods - and all the dietician's anyway. Every thing in moderation and then it stops you binging. A balanced diet is the key.

Orignally the thread was for motivation, using accountablity, for this to work I asked everyone to state their goals and what they were goign to do that week to achieve their goals. If someone people wanted to lose weight they were able to list that as a goal. And if yours is to put on weight then great.

Astroboy
20-08-2009, 03:20 PM
Podlettte,
I agree with you in that the best way to lose weight is to eat small meals more often and thus increase your metabolism, but i don't think anyone can argue that starving yourself will eventually cause you to lose weight, hence the crippling affects of anorexia and the very sad state of affairs in many African countries.

Many people who think they do not eat a lot are the ones who starve themselves all day long and then splurge by disposing a few Big Mac's or a cheeky Tim Tam or 10, in that case the affect that has on the body is magnified as the person's metabolism is very low.

John,
Certainly nothing wrong with Nando's, I have heard it recommended by dieticians, as long as you stay away from too many chips smile.gif

I also agree that exercising on the weekend alone is not enough, raising the heart rate 30-60 minutes every day is a good goal. Though I think many people fall into the trap of going to the gym and jumping on the treadmill for 30 minutes and think they have done a workout. Unless you spend time in your endurance and V02 Max zones all you are doing is burning fat and are having little to no impact on your fitness. I would suggest using a heart rate monitor to guage the intensity of your exercise as this is often more important than the total time.

You are much better off fitness wise to ride a bike for 1 hour and spend 20 minutes in VO2 Max, then ride a bike for 4 hours and only sit in E2 (your fat burning zone), you are basically wasting your time.

Astroboy
20-08-2009, 03:24 PM
Sorry ozgirl did not mean to hijack your thread, I strongly agree with the balanced diet.

John Deere
20-08-2009, 03:43 PM
True Astroboy, some people go to the gym and socialise.....I personally do a combo of weights and cardio (intervals) that keep me fit enough.

Astroboy
20-08-2009, 03:47 PM
John,
Weights are a great way to stay lean, as muscle burns much more calories than fat even when inactive, any part of a weight loss/fitness regime should include increasing lean muscle mass.

kort
20-08-2009, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Astroboy:

You are much better off fitness wise to ride a bike for 1 hour and spend 20 minutes in VO2 Max, then ride a bike for 4 hours and only sit in E2 (your fat burning zone), you are basically wasting your time. Am not sure I agree 100% with your argument Astroboy. I agree that working to your VO2 max will definately improve your fitness however I don't think you should ONLY do that form of training, otherwise you would burn yourself out. You need to have your "hard" exercise days but just as important are the exercise days where you allow yourself some recovery. For example when training for a marathon, the training program might have one long, hard training session (eg. 30km at 4:40-5:40 pace), a fartlek/speed session (eg. intervals), a gentle run (eg. 12-15km run at 5:30 pace) and a short intense run (eg. 10km at 4:50 pace) all in the week. Variety helps! Training hard *all* the time will simply lead to injuries and burning out. I have been guilty of this in the past as I am sure others have too.

Astroboy
20-08-2009, 03:52 PM
Kort,
At no time did I say that recovery is not vital to any fitness regime, I was simply pointing out that people fall into the trap of never training hard and are always in "recovery" thus effectively wasting their time.

kort
20-08-2009, 03:54 PM
ahhh ..... I see now....that I DEFINATELY agree with! smile.gif

I think some people are a bit scared of hitting that "pain barrier"......it is amazing what the human body can do when pushed though.

TVC
20-08-2009, 03:59 PM
kort,

Did the 20k on Sun night.
Mon rest
15 x 100 m sprints Tues
10 km last night Wed
Rest today Thur
Beep Test tomorrow
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Rest Sat
28km Sun

Middo
20-08-2009, 04:28 PM
I have had 8 sessions of acupressure therapy and acupuncture on my knees (in the last 2 weeks) in the hope that I can ski pain-free this year.

kort
20-08-2009, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by TVC:
kort,

Did the 20k on Sun night.
Mon rest
15 x 100 m sprints Tues
10 km last night Wed
Rest today Thur
Beep Test tomorrow
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Rest Sat
28km Sun Noice - training for a marathon TVC?

My training for the Melbourne half-mara is in doubt - having serious leg pain issues which has led to me hobbling around like an invalid 1-2 days after a run! I haven't been able to walk or run pain free for a couple of weeks now....orthotics are being cast tomorrow which hopefully will help. I am resigned to not having a proper long run for a week at least.

I think the MTB is going to be making a comeback this weekend. Lysterfield is going to hurt...

Astroboy
20-08-2009, 04:48 PM
TVC,
That is an impressive regime, I must say I much prefer the low impact of cycling given skiing already's pounds the body enough without adding to it smile.gif

Middo,
I feel for you, I had a bad back for years due to my own doings, too much weights and no where near enough stretching, has taken me many years to retrain the muscles and increase my flexibility.

The back is thankfully all good, my only issue now is bruising the big toe to the extent that I often lose my toenails. I have taken the boot to the professionals to make a little more room and I think I am also going to try tightening the ankle straps to stop that forward movement.

3 more days and I am in Perisher for a week!!!

Astroboy
20-08-2009, 04:54 PM
Kort,
I think you hit the nail on the head, long distance running often causes leg related injuries as the constant pounding on the pavement is very tough on the body, especially for those carry a few extra kilo's.

I really don't think you can beat the exhiliration of a bike ride into the mountains early in the morning as the dew is still dripping from the trees and the sun rises as you crest the top.

Well ok perhaps 20 cm of fresh powder and a run down Olympic, but it is not often you can do that smile.gif

kort
20-08-2009, 05:42 PM
I guess every case of leg soreness is different, however for me, I know my running "gait" is far from neutral. Collapsed arches doesn't help the cause even with my super dooper runners! I am definately looking for a long term solution and fingers crossed the orthotics will help that. Speaking to a few podiatrists, concrete is not a natural surface to run on (pretty obvious I suppose!). Having said that, softer surfaces are not as beneficial as one might think, especially if they are slightly uneven.

Hopefully Saturday morning will be a pleasant day - not too cold and windy!


20cm of fresh...I would prefer 30cm though ;)

TVC
20-08-2009, 05:43 PM
kort,

Hopefully Fitzroy Falls Bush marathon in October.

I'm not built for speed, but can keep going for a fair while. Been lucky in the leg department, no real serious issues. A bit of ITB trouble before Canberra. A little bit of pronation issue - until I discovered that the top lace hole on a shoe is there for a reason, (DUH!), to support the instep. Prior to this I'd always run with fairly loose laces.

What part of your legs is giving you trouble?

TVC
20-08-2009, 05:52 PM
kort,

How long have you been 'up' in your training regime.

I know from personal experience and soundness issues with my Endurance horses that you can't maintain peak trim for too long before micro-injuries begin to accumulate.

May need a 'spell' or a change of gait for a few weeks.

kort
20-08-2009, 05:52 PM
Having some major soreness in the Soleus muscle (middle of the calf). Can't quite remember exactly how I twinged it in the first place but after a run, it is so stiff and sore, going down stairs can be struggle! Takes ages to warm up also.

Physio reckons best way to recover is no running for 3 weeks.....eeek.... I have a 16km run (5:15 pace) this weekend which I think I will have to miss to let my leg recover.

TVC
20-08-2009, 05:54 PM
Both calf muscles, or just one?

kort
20-08-2009, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by TVC:
kort,

How long have you been 'up' in your training regime.

I know from personal experience and soundness issues with my Endurance horses that you can't maintain peak trim for too long before micro-injuries begin to accumulate.

May need a 'spell' or a change of gait for a few weeks. Haven't really built up my mileage to it's peak yet. I am still on the "buiding up" phase. Am still 2 months out however I guess I hate missing training runs as I am big fan of preparation work.

The orthotics are going to need a few short runs to break in, so looks like I got a slghtly forced layoff/shorter runs for a couple of weeks...

kort
20-08-2009, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by TVC:
Both calf muscles, or just one? Just the right Soleus calf muscle...
I previously had a tight ITB muscle on my left but after a few stretches to loosen it up that problem was resovlved - the calf injury is being more troublesome..

TVC
20-08-2009, 06:03 PM
The soleus is a shock absorber like the ITB. I found great relief 10 days out from Canberra when I had a good physio deep muscle massage my legs.

The first session hurt like @#$%, but the second one 2 days later was much better. The run was only 4 days after that and it definitely made a huge difference.

I've never really been one for massage or chiro or stretching - yadda yadda yadda - I just run.

BUT - that being said - when the tension in my ITB's and calves were released by good, painful, deep massage there was a marked improvement.

kort
20-08-2009, 07:04 PM
The physio has been getting his elbows, fingers, kitchen sink, etc in there but I still feel the pain unfort :(

Its all rather frustrating really!

TVC
21-08-2009, 04:47 PM
Just did my first Beep Test

Scored a 9.0

A little disappointed. Need to build more speed. Wasn't that knocked up, but couldn't maintain the pace needed to meet the beeps.

Anyhoo onward and upward

John Deere
21-08-2009, 07:10 PM
Did you do it on hard ground?

TVC
21-08-2009, 07:12 PM
JD,

Yep. Did it on an indoor basketball court.

BrumbyJack
21-08-2009, 07:19 PM
As Snow Princess is not a sprinter, she runs out of speed more than puff.

Just for a test we are going to start her at 11 and see how far she can go... her best so far is 12-2.

John Deere
21-08-2009, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by TVC:
JD,

Yep. Did it on an indoor basketball court. Noice.

BJ....what is the theory behind starting the beep test half way through? The number that you get starting at 11 surely wont mean much....you've missed over 1km of shuttles!

platinumbunny
21-08-2009, 08:43 PM
Wow! you guys are impressively fit! V jealous!

kort
21-08-2009, 08:57 PM
TVC - suggest some different intervals.....try the following (our running group recommends the "average joe" runner do no more then one intervals/speed/quality session a week)

Session 1
300m sprint
90 second rest
400m sprint
90 second rest
500m sprint
90 second rest
600m sprint
90 second rest
600m sprint
90 second rest
500m sprint
90 second rest
400m sprint
90 second rest
300m sprint

Classic pyramid intervals - I am going to be honest, but the above hurts like hell.

Session 2 - I do the below on a 900m loop (no rests and no walking)
900m slow run
450m sprint, 450m slow run
675m sprint 225m slow run
900m sprint
900m slow run
450m sprint, 450m slow run
675m sprint 225m slow run
900m sprint

This one really works on your "active recovery" (your slow run) - If you do this one hard, its tough work also.....At the half way stage its like "sh-it! I got to do it all over again!"

[ 21. August 2009, 07:59 PM: Message edited by: kort ]

TVC
22-08-2009, 10:38 AM
Cheers kort

TVC
24-08-2009, 09:44 AM
28km in 2hr 45min last night.


Ah, LSW nothing replaces it.

Pulled up better than I expected today.

kort
24-08-2009, 01:09 PM
Solid work TVC - thats about 5:50km pace smile.gif

TVC
24-08-2009, 01:24 PM
Yep. I'm a plodder, but can keep on going.

Officer Schmenz
24-08-2009, 02:34 PM
what difference does the hard ground make with the beep test?

(we always did it on sprung matts... although i think that makes it easier!)

John Deere
24-08-2009, 02:41 PM
If it was Grass I believe the theory goes your result would be lower.

Officer Schmenz
24-08-2009, 08:10 PM
so coz i was on a sprung floor i shoulda got higher?
AHA! i therefore bump my score up to 15. hehehee

Tobi
24-08-2009, 09:03 PM
I'm *attempting* to cut down my grog intake.

When I find time I may attempt to 'exercise'.


Originally posted by John Deere:
If it was Grass I believe the theory goes your result would be lower. So if you run on grass your result would be lower than if you did it on a hard surface?

I know that there was somewhere you could download the beep test for an ipod, anyone know it?

BrumbyJack
24-08-2009, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by John Deere:
[QUOTE]

BJ....what is the theory behind starting the beep test half way through? The number that you get starting at 11 surely wont mean much....you've missed over 1km of shuttles! Because ATM she can't get past 12. I think it is due to the speed, not fatigue... so if she starts at 11 and still can't get past 12 then it's the speed for sure.